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Saved!Every time I play this game it makes me fall in love with the franchise all over again. And to be fair, besides three entries, I love them all. Origins looks awesome, so I can't wait to try it. Gotta try Syndicate first though, but that's a ways off. Still replaying them all and I STILL haven't finished 2 XD Although I am now on the second DLC, so not long to go now! :)
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Gonna be starting Syndicate myself soon, got sent a copy \o/ - finally won't be behind on the series! Until, like, October. -
Saved!Travis GreenEditing … The Origins trailer actually got me excited to return to series for the first time in a while. I gave up on Black Flag, because the ship combat was pissing me off too much, and I was getting absolutely sick of tailing missions, and haven't returned to the series since. I probably won't retry Black Flag, due to the ship battles, but I may actually try Unity and Syndicate at some point, in preparation for Origins, because the new combat looks pretty sick! -
Saved!Splatterhouse 5Editing … I've never given this series a fair shake. I've only started up the first game, and got sidetracked with other games along the way. The concept seems interesting, but I can't seem to stay focused on it. I do hear that the 2nd game is the tits though. -
Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Yeah, from my experience II is by far the best: It brings in more varied missions and gameplay than the original, while not falling into any of the pitfalls some of the later games have. Brotherhood is also really good.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Rogue's story was definitely a lot more interesting than Black Flag's. I'd actually say Unity is underrated, hated for its launch disaster more than anything else. I found the AnvilNext games after III to lack polish in the animations and combat department, and Unity, post-patches, is honestly more polished than they are. Only bug I can recall experiencing was one time I got stuck in a wall, and as an open world game, one bug in over 30 hours is perfectly acceptable. Hell, I fell through the floor once per Mass Effect game. Yeah, every single one of them.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I'd say Unity is a pile of shit, with awful combat, underutilised setting, boring side missions and a comolete lack of freedom in assassinations. But that's just me.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Mmmm, all those building interiors, opportunities for mass murder with the large crowds (while multiple civilian kills in a row will desync you, multiple kills at once will not). Mysteries to solve, some with zero map markers. The combat wasn't changed very much from previous games, guess they made it a little bit harder, but it's still the basic one-man-army easy kill combat.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I just remembered that I never beat Freedom Cry. Thinking of mass murder in AC made me remember how I'd carry explosives at night to the auction stands (NPCs will approach explosives, but will flee if they're placed near them), and kill as many white people as I could with one chain blast. Nice. How was Freedom Cry?
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Freedom Cry was okay I think. I don't really remember it.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I remember making a goal of killing as many white people as I could. Moreso because of my fetish for class warfare than because they're white devils. Not many games in which I roleplay as a terrorist fighting for the lower classes.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … ... in Unity I mostly fought against the lower classes. "That's a huge crowd... I have a grenade launcher..."
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I'm not entirely sure Adewale's goal was to murder whites
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … you just don't understand AC lore my dude
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … It's okay, he got shanked by my boi anywhoo!
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Saved!Ed KickEditing … ACIII > ACII Yea I said it. -
Saved!Husky WingEditing … I don't think I've ever told you just how attractive I find a daring man.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I love ACIII. The whole Homestead sidequest was a neat addition and nothing beats leaping through the trees with a bow and arrow, hunting prey or hanging enemies from trees :)
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Saved!Ed KickEditing … Huh was expecting a rebuttal, Black Flag > ACII Yea I said it.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Black Flag was cool, but it also had a lot of problems. Story wasn't there and polish was generally lacking. Yeah, I said it. ... but it was still really fun to be a pirate
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I remember that game burning out on the series, both because I was struggling with the open world ship battles, even though they were cool, and because after III seemed to have toned it down a bit with the tailing missions, Black Flag seemed to be more annoying than ever with them, to the point where I just got completely sick of it. I hear Unity removed them completely, so that's one thing I can look forward to, now that I grabbed that game for $15 on a PSN sale last week.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Unity's severely underrated because of the launch disaster. It's quite enjoyable, and the multiplayer is a wonderful experience (except one single two-player mission that never worked well for me. Don't know if it was coincidental lag with everyone I ever played it with, or if that mission was actually broken. Either way, I was always thankful when the other player disconnected). That parenthetical comment was longer than the rest of the post.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Rogue was far superior to Unity. It's a shame it got overshadowed by the "Next-gen Creed" :( Black Flag was so dull outside of the Pirate setting. As a pirate game it was great, but as an AC game it was abyssmal. Tailing mission after tailing mission, pretty much zero connection to the actual Assassin's Spoiler You don't become an assassin till the last couple hours of the game and pretty much nowhere to free-run. In fact, the tailing missions are so prevalent there is a mission where you tail someone while sailing a f***ing goddamn pirate ship. "Don't be detected" "Oh excuse me while I hide my huge ass sailing vessel behind a rock!" Gah!!!
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Origins concerns me in regards to free-running. The 30-minute E3 demos all showed shorter buildings and open spaces. Luckily there's tomb raiding™ and maybe we'll see a large city somewhere.Spoilerline breakRogue was certainly one of the most interesting Assassin's Creed games, and maybe it had the best storyline as well, as it tackled the flaws of the Assassin Order. I enjoy a good story in which there is no black and white. Except like, I'm more liberal than any liberal and would rather live in anarchy than under Templar rule.Spoilerline breakthanks for showing me how to do a line break in a comment, cutie face.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Yea, I don't envision there being many good free-running locations in Origins either. But given the slow-ass running speed of the "New Creeds", I think that's for the best.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … it'll be the tombs bby
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … One question I'll ask here, since you both seem to know the series well: I really want to give the series another shot, and try Unity and Rogue, but I don't think I want to do Black Flag again, because I really wasn't enjoying it. Is there anything really essential in its modern day plot, that I would be missing out on if I skip it, or am I fine? From what I remember, it was just wandering around in an office, but is there anything more to it? Because between ship battles and endless tailing missions, I don't want to give it another go just to get burnt out again.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Black Flag's story progression was fairly minimal, so I suppose you won't be missing out on too much. Rogue ties directly into Unity, I think you'll very much enjoy playing both of them, and in either order. However, since Rogue is using AnvilNext and Unity is on AnvilNext 2.0, you will feel a technical downgrade if you go from Unity to Rogue. And that Unity "parkour down" button, mmm.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Rogue will return you to those ship battles, as you may already know. You might be more engaged by the overall experience, though.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … It has ship battles as well? Crap, guess I better get used to them them. Well, I guess I'll give Black Flag one more chance first, then, just to see if it's even possible for me to tolerate it. Are they at least minimized compared to Black Flag> Because that game felt like it overused them, compared to III where I was actually liking them, because they were fairly minor. In fact, it's a controversial opinion, but III is actually my second favorite, behind II, with Brotherhood being close behind. Those are the three AC games I've played so far where the good qualities greatly outweighed any problems I had with them, where the original, Revelations and Black Flag all seemed like mixed bags to me.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Rogue plays very much like Black Flag, but the islands did tend to offer a lot more (you could explore very large forest islands, and then travel to other islands without boarding back onto your ship, something I can't remember doing in Black Flag). I really think that Unity and Rogue should be enjoyed as a pair though, regardless of which order you play them in.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Yeah, the plan is to give Black Flag one more try, then take a bit of break, do Rogue first on my PC, then Unity immediately after on my PS4.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … So from what I understand, the game has a million spinoffs, but if I want to just get caught up with it and not spend all my money, is it okay to just do Black Flag, Rogue, Unity and Syndicate and ignore the others for now? Because, damn, I might try them at some point, but there's just way too many damn games, especially when i have a big enough backlog as is.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I haven't played any of the 2D spinoffs. Who knows? :D
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I also meant Freedom Cry and Liberation. Are those skippable?
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Liberation? Definitely. Freedom Cry? Well, I didn't bother finishing it.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Okay, so I think for now I'll just do Black Flag (if I don't get burnt out again), Rogue, Unity, then take a long break before Syndicate and ignore the rest for now. The problem is, I want to be caught up so I can get Origins either when it's out or by the end of the year, but man is that going to take a long time, especially considering I'll likely need breaks in between games to avoid burnout.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Played 3 hours of Black Flag today, got the first 2 sequences done. Feels good to be back into the overall flow of the AssCreed gameplay for the first time in years, and at the very least it looks like I can enjoy the land gameplay, as long as I learn to tolerate tailing missions. The next test is to see how the ship missions go, but at the very least I should be able to enjoy Unity and Syndicate, now that I know I still enjoy the free running, climbing and combat.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Unity's got you a nice dense city too, and PARKOUR DOWN DID I MENTION THAT
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Husky, why would you let a man who loves ACIII play Black Flag instead of Rogue? That's just mean. Rogue is superior to Black Flag in every way AND it's storyline is a prequel to ACIII involving a lot of the same characters.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Man, I said Black Flag was skippable because its "story progression [was] minimal" :p
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Deleted by himself
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Um, can either of you give me tips on the ship combat? Because I'm still really terrible at it. Like, I enjoy the idea of it, but with how bad it's been going it's virtually unplayable right now, and obviously if I can't handle it in Black Flag, getting Rogue would be completely pointless.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Hmm, what are your specific troubles? Also, controller or kb/m? (I'm not going to tell you to switch, I'm just going to recommend some different keybinds if you're on kb/m)
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I use a controller. Essentially, I can win one on one fights, but I keep attracting too much attention and getting blown up by ships I'm not ready for yet. Also, the whole having to escape and bribe an official system is stupid. I think for now I may just try ignoring the ship as much as possible, but my concern then is I'll get to a main mission I can't handle.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Will I be completely lost in the plot if I just skip both Black Flag and Rogue and go straight to Unity (which I already own)? Because, man, I really don't want to mess with the ship combat any more, it's simply not fun for me.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Rogue's an improvement over Black Flag, I don't think it even had the bribing system. Silent, what do you think, do you remember all the differences between Black Flag and Rogue?
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … You could always see if kb/m is the way to go. Right-click is counter/interact. That's the key, man, that's the key. The default key bindings in AC are all wrong, you gotta fix it, right-click man, Ubisoft doesn't get the power of right-click
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Nah, the controls aren't the issues. It's more the fact that it feels like a lot of pointless busy work. I think what I may have to do is just be selective with which ships I attack, only fight ones that have resources I need and make sure there aren't many others around, maybe just do a bit less side content in those two games compared to what I'd normally do, if that's what it takes. Just advanced the story and got to my first instance of ship tailing, lol!
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … Well, this time I officially quit the game for good. I just can't stomach the ship combat. Even trying to take down a frigate isn't happening, because on the off chance I can beat it, I just lose the boarding anyway, so what's even the point? It feels like the ship combat will only ever weigh me down, so is it all possibly to play Unity without Rogue, or should I just quit the series entirely, despite liking the on foot gameplay a lot?
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … eh you can just play Unity
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Oh looksie, an entire conversation I missed. I'd have shouted the phrase "Play Rogue" "Play Rogue" over and over at you. It's better than Black Flag and Unity by miles. Those two are some of the worst in the series. AND it ties in with ACIII. AND you get an entirely different gameplay feel as you are constantly being hunted. AND you get a grenade launcher! AND the naval stuff is fairly optional. Or at least I barely remember using the ship.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Unity underrated :(
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I just beat Syndicate and am gonna play the Jack the Ripper DLC soon. Then I shall share my feelings on that one \o/
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I just don't see Rogue being a good idea, considering it was the naval crap that was really killing Black Flag for me, and watching videos for Rogue it seems to have a ton of that stuff as well, so it's not worth the risk to buy it, when I'm a bit tight on money. I played about an hour of Unity today and it seems fine. Free running is cool as always, though the combat feels even clunkier than usual and I have a feeling the crouch mechanics are going to screw me over in a mission sooner or later.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … SYNDICATE THOUGH
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … THAT LIL SHIT
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I was actually interested in that one, but you made it sound awesome, lol! Played more Unity and it was already going way downhill, so maybe the newer AC games aren't going to work for me, after all. I'm still interested Origins, but there's no point getting it right away if I can't get myself to finish anything released after III.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I've liked every Assassin's Creed I've played. There've been plenty of flaws, some have just been okay, but Syndicate is the only one that's just horrible. It doesn't have a single improvement over Unity, and overall it's just got a lot less of everything. Every single thing that it does has been done better several times before, and it doesn't do a whole lot, having a lot less of everything than any previous games.
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Saved!Travis GreenEditing … I've heard very mixed things about Syndicate: Everything from "It's the best since AC II", to "it''s total garbage", so I have no clue what to expect from it at this point. The two protagonists system seems cool, and the combat looks way smoother than Unity from what I've seen in videos, though. I am liking Unity, especially being able to free run through buildings, but the combat is incredibly slow and clunky, and the whole game feels really unpolished on PS4 (no noticeable bugs yet, it just feels incredibly clunky to control and the framerate is abysmal.)
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Syndicate was also strangely clunky to control, and I can't recall if Unity felt the same way. I blame the move to "realistic" movement (in gaming in general). Sometimes the arcadey abiliy to do a 180 on the spot just feels better than realism. As for its PS4 performance, Unity's a great case of how the 8th-gen consoles really didn't give us a leap we needed. Syndicate's two protagonist system is a cool feature, but between the two of them, you still have less customization than Ezio did as a single character. The Frye twins are among the less interesting AC protagonists, but they have their moments. Jacob's highlights don't come until the end of the story, whereas Evie outshone him for most of the game.
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