• Not Important wrote his opinion about The Birth of a Nation
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    #The Birth of a Nation
    This movie teaches you some strong morals and good historical facts. Ku Klux Klan were the good guys, black people abused white women and the Confederate forces were heroes that faced horrible war crimes. The production values, however are great. It's long as balls for a movie this old, and it will NOT maintain your interest for all of it. You will also at times be left to wonder if this guy is that one guy or the other guy. Still the movie is actually pretty good if you can look past the stupid political bullshit and blackface. This movie influenced a lot of movies, and it is a Movie You Should See Before You Die.
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      Editing … I think I'll give the KKK propaganda film a miss as well. 0 out of 3 so far.
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    • Erektionsite
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      Editing … It's interesting that this is often cited as the first blockbuster. But as interesting as that sounds I'd probably be bored by all the political propaganda if I tried to watch it.
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    • Not Important
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      Editing … It's a legit good movie, but Jesus Christ if the propaganda doesn't drive me crazy.
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    • Ulty
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      Editing … It's a product of its time. Politics aside, this is one of the most revolutionary films in history.
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      Editing … I imagine it has historical value if you're interested in the history of racism & politics or the history of film making. Ultimately it is a racist propaganda film though so I'd be a bit worried by anyone putting it in their all time favourite films list.
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      Editing … Why? If one were to do that it wouldn't be because of the political side it takes, but it's actual filmmaking value. Remember that a movie can always stand by something that many disagree with, or even find repugnant, but when judging a film you should judge by it's own merits instead of its ideals. I disagree with the stand A Clockwork Orange takes on people like Alex, but i'm not gonna disregard the movie because of that.
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    • Rich .
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      Editing … One of the films merits is its ideals though so it's right to judge it on them. The ideals and intentions behind Birth of a Nation are repugnant.
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    • Ulty
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      Editing … Not if you're trying to have a more objective perspective on the film's quality (craft, pacing, etc.), since there's no objective morality I don't see how a movie's ideals come into play in that situation.
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      Editing … It's a bit of a conundrum. I don't think I could rank Mein Kampf even if it was a well written book, I could study it but not really respect it if that makes sense. Never seen or heard of this movie though D:
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      Editing … "Since there's no objective morality" Oh come on Ulty! You're not asking me to put aside my disgust with the KKK, slavery, racism and lynchings for the sake of objective film reviews are you? They may not be objective moral values in the sense that the bigots and psychopaths of history saw things differently but as things any decent human being should be able to agree are wrong go they're at the top of the list.
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      Editing … What you don't realize is that I agree with you. Some of the shit shown in this film is absolutely disgusting from a moral standpoint. And just like I don't agree with what happened to Alex, i'm not going to use my moral values to criticize the film for it. Because its a film, i'm judging it on it's storytelling and filmmaking prowess, I get that you won't do that, seriously I do. If it were a couple of years ago I wouldn't do it either. I guess I just view things differently. I'm sorry if any of this offended you, wasn't my intention.
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      Editing … Oh I was totally sure we agree on the lynching/slavery/racism is bad thing, it would've came as a hell of a shock if we didn't. I'm not offended, I'm just baffled you can put a pro KKK/racism message aside and try to judge the film like a normal one. Yeah, a lot of films have morally repugnant characters but they're not propaganda in favour of that moral repugnance like this one is.
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      Editing … In my opinion, The Birth of a Nation has a lot of good in it, and it would feel wrong to trash it all because of a single aspect. Still, the movie sickens me and I dislike it, I was just trying to be a bit objective.
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