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Saved!"England is the most class-ridden country under the sun. It is a land of snobbery and privilege, ruled largely by the old and the silly."
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … That reminds me of this clip. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/2AVKjYoSGNo This guy's videos are like crack btw. I assume he's just reading other people's answers, but I still find it so interesting.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Sounds spot on to me
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "Yeah but 12% of our tax provides free healthcare for everybody so there is that." You still complain about it though. You said it sucks. -
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Saved!NodleyEditing … It's better than no healthcare like America.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Euro healthcare is a pretty low standard though. I can't remember which countries, but there are some African countries that have free/very cheap healthcare and their healthcare is on par/superior to ours. Fancy hospitals and shit. Also I wouldn't call healthcare free though if we pay taxes for it. You pay upfront and it's mandatory even if you don't go to the doctor ever.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Well I get free healthcare right now because I don't work anymore
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Don't you still have to pay health insurance? I pay 160 euro's a month.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … No, it's all completely free.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh, so that's why you have to wait yonks to be helped. Meh I'd take it over paying monthly.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … We have to wait yonks because of all the millions of immigrants that came and flooded the country in a short space of time, we had to give everybody completely free healthcare, the NHS couldn't keep up because millions using it hadn't paid into it. But now we're out of the EU the numbers are starting to go back down. Things will sort themselves out over the next decade or so. Up until 15 or so years ago you could walk into a doctors and wait to be seen and would within an hour. Now it's a 2 month wait. People die after waiting in an ambulance outside hospital for 10+ hours because they can't get seen. And the world criticised us for wanting out the EU.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Johnny Lawrence is the best karate kid character.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Immigrants can't be the reason because we also have many many immigrants, probably more than you do, but we don't have to wait that long for healthcare. If I want to see the doc I can get an appointment the same week. Probably even the same or next day. Everyone is mandated to pay healthcare every month, also the immigrants, but after you pay healthcare is mostly free so they would not be held back by financial reservations. In healthcare it's mostly all the old people putting pressure on the system which would only get worse over time as the population ages further. Most of healthcare costs are from the elderly. Immigrants are mostly still young. In the doctor's office I also never see immigrants. They just don't like to go there even if something is wrong with them.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You don't have more than us. A lot were just migrant workers but 250,000 per year stayed permanently at the peak. That's the same as requiring an entire new city the size of Eidhoven every single year. All the migrants aren't walking from France to Holland are they, they're all risking their lives trying to get in a boat across to England. Google says we have 16% of the population born abroad and Holland is 14%
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … in 2022 we had 223,000 migrants that stayed here. We have a much smaller population. Immigrants love living here because we have an easy welfare system and they are guaranteed a house if they are allowed to stay. They frequently pass by many countries where they could otherwise stay. Most of them are not real refugees but young en wanting to find an easy life. UK is also appealing to them but that doesn't mean they don't come en-masse to other countries. 14% of our citizen have been born abroad (https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/longread/statistische-trends/2022/nieuwe-indeling-bevolking-naar-herkomst/5-de-nieuwe-indeling-in-cijfers). Your google is lying. That I don't think you can blame your healthcare on 2% more migrants. You're all getting old and fat just like the rest of the western world.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … We have 11 million immigrants and your entire population is 17 million. Imagine just dumping 2/3rds of your entire country on us. And then those 11 million have all been breeding over the years too. It happened too quick, any growth like that needs to be gradual. What's 2/3rds of your healthcare budget? And how many hours per year do the entire healthcare staff do? That's what we're short every year.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Here is an older source in English showing immigrants are a larger percentage of our population than you first stated. https://www.migrationinstitute.org/publications/netherlands-migration-profile-1/@@download/file . In 2014 as stated in the source it was 10.8% of our population then ten years later it's 14%. It's increasing. And then there is the children of the migrants than make up another 10 percent or so. Can you at least admit you are heavily underestimating how many migrants we have? The only reason we have The PVV as the largest party is because of their immigration stance. Even in 2014 people were talking about our immigration problem. I know the UK has a lot of immigrants but you are no exception. Imigrants do put a streign on a society but you cant blame them for every thing wrong with your country. Some things are simply bad policy.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … We have 5x as many immigrants as you do, and it's much easier for them to get to Holland. So what are we giving them extra that you aren't?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … OK, apparently EU nationals have to buy insurance for healthcare in Holland, where as in the UK it's all completely free. Also they only get restricted access to benefits for 5 years, over here they get 100% as soon as they enter. That's why we have them all.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "5x as many immigrants as you do" where do you get that idea from?
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … We have a complex tax system that is very weird. "have to buy insurance for healthcare in Holland" yeah that's the "tax" that you must pay. It's not included in your regular tax but it's also income dependent so in extremes rich people pay the full amount out of pocket but poor people receive money to pay for the tax so for them it's free essentially. So if you are very poor you receive like 130 euro's every month to pay for it. Immigrants will get it for free also.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "5x as many immigrants as you do" where do you get that idea from?" Do the numbers, 2.3m vs 11m. Ok, it's nearly 5x, a lot more than 4x...I really can't be arsed to do the maths effort over a small difference. Let's just agree it's between 4 and 5 times as much. I've had a couple loafs of liquid bread now and being in the ballpark is as good as it gets from this moment on because I'm finishing the loaf.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … That's ridiculous math. You have to take into account population size or it makes no sense. About 25% of our population are migrants or are born from migrants. So you claim 4 to 5 times more migrants than 25% of your population. Tell me how that works.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I just set up my new 4K HDR monitor
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … ....But is it oled?
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Loopholes every american should take advantage of https://m.youtube.com/shorts/rMSlDOcOmZU
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "That's ridiculous math" No it's not. Numbers don't lie, we have 4.78 times as many immigrants as you do. There is no debating it, that's how maths work. And 16% is also more than 14%.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … The only country in Europe with more immigrants than us is Germany with nearly 17m. France is 3rd with 9m.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Interestingly the US is 13.8% foreign born so is roughly on par with Holland but has less percentage of immigrants there than Britain.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … It's not OLED. But its performance far exceeds everything else in its pricerange! Over a thousand local dimming zones!
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Talking of immigrants. Back in the 80s whenever somebody said "pack it in" the standard response was "pakis don't come in tins they come in banana boats".
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … ""That's ridiculous math" No it's not. Numbers don't lie, we have 4.78 times as many immigrants as you do. There is no debating it, that's how maths work. And 16% is also more than 14%." I really hope you are trolling or else I worry about you.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh Husky I always find led panels so difficult. They look really good for highlights but I could never get over the blooming. I always see it. I almost got a Led tv but the high-contrast dark scenes just killed it for me.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … No, I'm not trolling. Which part of maths and numbers don't you understand? We have 4.78 times as many immigrants as you, 11 is higher than 2.3.. That's fact. We have 16% foreign born to your 14%. That's fact. We established those figures early and 16 is higher than 14. You know how percentages work right? You understand that 2% of our population equals over 50% of your entire immigrant population because we're the larger country right? Try looking at this: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/4187653/18051216/foreign-born-population-1-january-2023.jpg/93da7b4c-d9eb-670e-e3bb-008acfcf46d3?t=1711450953615 Where does your 25% come from because everything I see is much less. Do you somehow think that your 2.3m immigrants breed more than our 11m immigrants? That 16%(11m) are foreign BORN. They've all breeded too, so add on all their offspring for the real number. Did you think only your immigrants had children or something?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "31.8% of all live births were to non-UK-born mothers in England and Wales (an increase from 30.3% in 2022); this continues a general increase in the percentage of live births to non-UK-born mothers. 37.3% of live births were to parents where either one or both were born outside the UK, increasing from 35.8% in 2022" So well over a third of the entire young population in Britain is from immigrants. You can't argue maths Klem, numbers are absolute and cannot be debated. I know how much you hate to be wrong but you can't argue facts.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Why are you calculating in absolutes? That's ridiculous. We have a much smaller population. Relative percentage to the population is important. Your argument is like a kid saying it's unfair he gets less food than an adult. Also we went up from 10.8% immigrants to 14% since 2014. It's not like in the meantime our healthcare changed from that. Claiming a 2% difference in immigrants is the reason you have to wait months for an appointment and I don't is absurd. Seems there is just something inefficient in your healthcare system.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … LMAO. "We have a much smaller population." That's where percentages come in! 16 is more than 14. We have more immigrants per person. For every 10 people 1.6 of them were born abroad. OMG do you even math? LOL do you even read what I say or are you so fixated on trying to win the argument that you will ignore it all. Here try rereading: "250,000 per year stayed permanently at the peak. That's the same as requiring an entire new city the size of Eidhoven every single year" and " Imagine just dumping 2/3rds of your entire country on us. And then those 11 million have all been breeding over the years too. It happened too quick, any growth like that needs to be gradual. What's 2/3rds of your healthcare budget? And how many hours per year do the entire healthcare staff do? That's what we're short every year." Remember that this isn't a debate on who has more immigrants(I win that though), this is an explanation of why NHS waiting lists are so long. We had a MASSIVE influx of immigrants in a short space of time that never paid into the NHS and the NHS simply wasn't ready to treat that amount of people. Somehow you decided that you had more immigrants and I'm wrong again.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "Claiming a 2% difference in immigrants is the reason you have to wait months for an appointment" Again, 2% of our population isn't the same as 2% of your population. When you need to build, that's when the absolute numbers do come in. You got 500,000 in 10 years we were getting that every 2 years. Do you understand how many extra hospitals that is that need building and staff need training over at least 5 years(yes it takes that long to train in medicine, doctors much longer) to make up that extra? Think about it. An entire city every year but no doctors or hospitals for 5+. And remember our healthcare is completely free. Everybody arriving had never paid in and doesn't have to buy insurance either.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Relatively it's the same increase in burden per person and on the system. That's what percentages are. They make it possible to compare things like this. We have even reduced our hospital capacity during and after corona because we just like to do weird and stupid things here that help nobody. It's not a contest about who has the highest percentage of immigrants. You can simply see both countries are on the high side, but relatively not that different from each other. I stand by my point that it makes no sense to blame your migrants for your healthcare waiting list. Sure they may be on average more depressed and that might put pressure on psychiatric healthcare, but no way in hell do they all suddenly need to get their inner ears checked. I know you suspect and blame immigrants for long waiting lists in general, but you also show no evidence that that your 2% more migrants somehow cause your entire healthcare to be congested. It's simply an unfounded statement until you show some evidence of causation. I'd be completely open to that. It would be interesting to see if the UK is somehow different in a way.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … No, it's not the same increase burden per person, you can't just train up staff 5 times faster. You want evidence? https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/news/uk-inadequate-staffing-levels-nhs-waiting-list-growing-4-times-faster-than-nurse-workforce-161123 "Since 2019, the patient waiting list for elective care has grown more than 4 times faster than the number of nurses recruited." More than 4 times huh? I wonder if it's 4.78 times just like I estimated based on the figures ;)
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … That's just showing me you have a nurse shortage. Why do you assume the immigrants are the ones responsible for your lack of nurses? Many nurses also quit during the corona pandemic and didn't come back because work sucked then for many reasons.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "4 times faster than the number of nurses recruited." More than 4 times huh? I wonder if it's 4.78 times just like I estimated based on the figures ;)" What is this logic? you are just mashing numbers together that don't have any direct relation to each other. You have a clear confirmation bias.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You have a clear lack of maths understanding but here we are. Think carefully right, what happened.... millions of people joined the NHS all in a short space of time, right? You still with me? Old staffing levels could no longer get things done. That's understandable right? You're still with me? What happens next? Waiting lists build and build for years until new doctors and nurses can do their 5 years training. And at the end of those 5 years when the staff levels should get back on track there's ANOTHER 1.25 million people entered the country, and all the while the waiting lists have been multiplying with each influx. Bigger numbers multiply more than small numbers and we have 5 times as many immigrants coming in. You can't just pull doctors out your ass when you need them, we don't store half a million trained doctors and nurses in a cryo chamber just on the offchance we'll have a influx of immigrants. Any spike in immigration one year won't get NHS staff levels to compensate for 5 years.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I think you have demonstrated a clear lack of understanding. You are grasping at straws and making assumptions. If I have a lack of math understanding then demonstrate it with math not with random statements. Show me that immigrants CAUSED the congestion and that they did indeed en-mass ask for general healthcare and that they caused the nurses shortage. You are simply trying to make a correlation but that does not mean causation and even the correlation is debatable since not every refugee suddenly wanted healthcare. Corona waiting lists were a thing and could very well have contributed massivly to your problem. How can you ignore something so obvious as that but instead say it must be the immigrants? I know under Bojo lots of nurses were fired if they did not want to be vaccinated https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60104140 also lots of them just left because conditions were bad for them. I would have left too and never come back.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You literally answered it yourself but I lack understanding lol. Staffing levels that take 5 years to catch up had millions of corona appointments added to their already multiplying waiting lists. We have immigration figures "The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates that net migration to the UK reached a peak of 764,000 in 2022, up from 184,000 in 2019 before the pandemic (ONS, May 2024)" And guess what? We also have NHS figures!! "The number of doctors has increased by 37% from 2013 to 2023(2023 is after your BBC link from 2022). The number of doctors in hospital and community services has increased by 28% since 2015." So forget your staff leaving in droves theory because levels are consistently rising to keep up. In fact, the population increase was 15% but the NHS staff increased by a third, they're actually outperforming the immigration levels, so tell me again about my lack of understanding? And now let's count children leaving school, it's 360,000 a year. How many are even smart enough to be doctors? "there is a study that says that doctors on average have an IQ about 120-130 which is pretty intelligent (about 2 standard deviations above the mean) Approximately 25% of individuals score above 120 on standardized IQ tests." Then take away all the smart people that want to be pilots, lawyers, architects etc etc etc. Migrant workers are all old enough to work, meaning the population age is inbalanced so hasn't been given time to grow organically. This is why we have so many foreign staff. Overall, 18.7% of staff report a nationality other than British. For doctors this figure is 35.0%. Proof that this is a numbers problem, too much in too short a space of time. You simply cannot argue mathematics Klemoib numbers aren't assumptions, 2 is always more than 1. It doesn't matter what you do to try win an argument, numbers, statistics and facts don't lie.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "I think you have demonstrated a clear lack of understanding." Those are fighting words.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … And just to prove that this is purely a numbers thing, the healthcare crisis is mirrored by the housing crisis. "One 2019 report for the NHF and Crisis estimated around 340,000 new homes need to be supplied in England each year, while Financial Times analysis from earlier this year estimated the number of new homes needed would be 421,000 a year, or even as high as 529,000 per year if current net migration levels hold." We just discussed 360k school leavers a year right, well how about deaths? "In 2023, 581,363 deaths were registered in England and Wales, which was a 0.7% increase from 2022." So more adults are leaving houses then needing houses until you add on the immigration figures. 360-580=-220. 764-529+220= 535. 764k isn't the number that stays permanently of course, that figure was around 250k, so that shows a massive backlog if 529k are needed, which is similar to what we see in NHS waiting lists. But I lack understanding lol.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I wonder who I'd agree with if I actually read these
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Can you math? Anyway, it doesn't even matter, it's the same old argument on every screen all over the world. You've seen it a dozen times on this site alone.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "Those are fighting words." he started it! He called me math disabled while he himself was doing weird things with numbers and giving false info about how many immigrants we have here in dutchland. He want to blame the NHS waiting list on migrants. You can blame a lot on them but in this case I really think there is no basis to assume migrants caused nod to have to wait for his doctors appointment. We have about the same percentage of migrants here and I don't have to wait as long as he does for healthcare. It's just a whole lot of factors and policies that caused nod to have to wait. Pinning everything on migrants is weird in this case especially taking into account the operations and so on being postponed due to corona and all that. Randomly correlating immigration numbers and increasing doctors does not mean a thing. You need numbers like what percentage of new immigrants made use of healthcare during that period.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Look, it's OK to just say that you don't know enough about a subject to debate, or to even have an opinion which is clearly true in this instance, you don't even understand basic mathematics. Or the concept of supply and demand and economic models. This is why I stopped talking nutrition because you're incapable of accepting anything, even clear evidence, if it comes from somebody with a different opinion to you. I'm not randomly correlating anything, I've literally shown you all the figures, immigration levels vs NHS levels, plus mirroring evidence from elsewhere in the same society, and numbers aren't negotiable. Before you reply make sure to read everything I posted above again and think it through.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … If it is clearly true then give sources that demonstrate immigrants CAUSE your healthcare to be delayed. I said I'm open too that. You never demonstrated this though. You can keep saying you understand it and you are right but I'm just not convinced. I'm not stating something else. I just don't find your argumentation convincing. But I think I'm also going to blame migrants for everything now. It seems fun. I personally blame them for fucking up the gaming industry because since more of them came to this country gaming has become shit and consoles became expensive because all the boats were transporting migrants and not consoles.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … All evidence is above if you just look at what I said.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'll help you with the math because for some reason you refuse to do it. There were 356m GP appointments in the UK last year, that's over 5 per person. But for this I'll keep the maths basic and call it 1 per person or the numbers get silly. So doctors take 5 or more years to train. So in year 1 we have 250k. The system wasn't set up for them so 250k appointments backed up. Year 2 another 250k enter. So that's 500k appointments this year plus the 250k from last year meaining 750k. It hasn't doubled, it's tripled. 750 shared with 68(million people) is 11 per person. So the more people you add every year the more it increases per person per year. Now dutchland is 50 year 1, 50 year 2 so 100 plus the old 50 that's 150. 150 shared with 17(m people) is 8.8 per person, we have 2.2 more. It's not just a case of "2%" when you get into the debt of owing and keep on adding it keeps on multiplying. And bigger numbers add up to more than smaller numbers do. Year 4 works out at 55pp for UK and 50pp for Holland. The difference has gone from 2.2 per person up to 5 per person. That's the simple version, the real world version adds the population increase to the burden, because some could be doctors right? So it's more like 51 per person vs 47, up from 2.2pp to 4pp, but it's still increasing at a bigger rate for the UK. Remember, we can't train doctors faster than you, we're both equal on that front, but we have 5x as many people coming in. But this is just a math demonstration, the real world and all the factors get super confusing, but do you see how bigger numbers create more than smaller ones now? That's why the UK is struggling with appointments more than Holland, it's basic maths.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … As for corroborating evidence, do you understand the concept of supply and demand? If you flood the market with a thing prices will rise or fall depending what it affects. For example if you flood the job market with people wages will stagnate. And it works the other way in housing, house prices rise when the demand is higher. That's exactly what we have seen over the last 15 years or so, all evidence across society points towards too many people coming in in too short a space of time. If it was just the NHS that fell behind then it wouldn't be down to the numbers. And I showed you that the NHS staff has increased by 1/3rd anyway outpacing the immigration levels so we can be absolutely sure that sheer numbers are mostly to blame for NHS waiting lists.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I don't "refuse to do math". The burden of proof is on the one who states something. You are making the same arguments over and over but it does not make them better. You continue to conflate correlation with causation. The way your healthcare functions is dependent on many factors you for example also cope with long term under-funding of the NHS. You try to make the argument that it's all the immigrants who caused it while there are many countries with similar migration rates that don't have your problems. I'm just stating again that I don't find your arguments convincing. I know there have been studies in the Netherlands on the burden of immigrants on our financial system commissioned by the government that found they cost us way way more than they will ever earn for the Netherlands (to the dismay of the government. they didn't like the results). I am not bias in favor if immigrants somehow. In certain sectors they do burden a system, but immigrants in particular use less healthcare on average compared to natives. So it's a weird idea that they would cause your healthcare to inflate suddenly. Even the areas negatively effected by migrants, are not solely disrupted by migrants. If you only look at migrants for your troubles you will overlook many other things wrong in your systems. I think it's a very difficult stance you are trying to defend because it is so complex. I thought you might have found proof or a study demonstrating your point but I have not seen anything.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "there are many countries with similar migration rates that don't have your problems" If you don't understand maths you don't understand maths I guess. "long term under-funding of the NHS." The NHS is hiring staff faster than immigration levels for over a decade, so explain how this theory of yours works when trying to get an appointment. Underfunding is a thing of course, because of the millions of immigrants who never paid into it and don't have to buy health insurance. "immigrants in particular use less healthcare on average compared to natives" False. Because the NHS is free we get health tourists. People would come to the UK to have babies and operations. It's a well known fact, you need to do your research before throwing out statements. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2021/10/21/health-tourism And that explains why the US, even though it has bigger numbers overall, doesn't outscore us in the maths I showed you earlier. It's really not difficult stuff. "You continue to conflate correlation with causation" Do you understand that or are you just repeating it because you read it online? Because from the evidence I've provided there is clearly something not clicking.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You still don't make your case. What you present is no evidence. I'm not making a case I'm just explaining to you that I don't find your "math" a compelling answer at all because it does not show any form of causation. You made "a math" but what you calculate does not prove your claim. If you want to math it you need to find a proper study. Refugees are not en-mass flooding your emergency wards or getting inner ear problems. More doctors does not fix all your problems. You need beds, rooms, nurses, emergency workers, tools and machines otherwise your doctors will stand there twiddling their thumbs. "Because the NHS is free we get health tourists." of course you get health tourists we have them too but that does not refute anything. "you need to do your research before throwing out statements." I'm no expert but did my research. I'm not just claiming whatever: "https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1258/jhsrp.2010.010097" You are the one who came up with funky dutch migration numbers. Your claim about migrants and them causing your healthcare to be overburdened is not backed up with anything substantial. Why would I not understand what causation is? I can see flawed logic when I see it. The arguments and evidence you provided and find compelling are not convincing at all. It's simply not a good defense of your claim. You can shout louder that it is but it won't change a thing. Your arguments are not sound.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … My case is clear, with supporting evidence but you just ignore it all. And I only did the math to show you why our waiting lists are bigger than yours, you couldn't even do a basic math equation but argued aganst it anyway. You're just trying to win the argument like you always do. For some reason you can't just say OK I don't know enough on this to have an opinion.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Prey 2 would have been the best game ever. The math says so. I'd lay it all out, but it's really beyond my comprehension.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … See, 2 is twice as much as 1, so Prey 2 would have been twice as good as Prey. Since Prey is astronomically good, Prey 2's greatness would have been nearly immeasurable. You can disagree, if you wanna take your case up against mathematics.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oh don't start Klem off. Prey isn't a NIntendo game so it's immediately inferior and nothing you say will convince her otherwise. Just like vitamin supplements are better than eating eggs.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … If Klem can recommend a great game I've never played for my Wii U, 3DS, or Switch (including anything I can play with their back compatibility), maybe I'll make it my next game after Enderal. Preferably not a vast open world, since I'll want something different after Enderal. Also not a multiplatform game, cuz then I'll just play it on PC.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I doubt it, because Nintendo suck. PC gamers rule, we're the master race. Consoles are for kids, and handhelds are for babies.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … What is going on I don't even... Nod really seems to have a weird picture of me in his head. I could draw what I think that picture looks like but I'm getting a coffee to forget I even read these strange things.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Do us a drawing, I wanna see it. I'll draw you too
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Everyone here ok with united healthcare memes right? https://x.com/VividVivka/status/1865219559940079844
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Saved!NodleyEditing … All memes are good
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