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    Is it true that broccoli, cauliflower etc are modern man made products? That seems weird, our ancestors never ate them, they're not in our evolution.

    What exactly did our cave men ancestors eat? Just meat and berries?
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      Editing … Broccoli, cauliflower, kale and brussels sprouts are the result of breeding a wild ancestor cabbage plant (if I remember correctly) to exaggerate certain features. In broccoli the flower buds are fatter for example. They did this in the middle ages I believe. Yes you are in essence eating retarded cabbage. But when it comes down to it it’s not like we cannot eat them because they were cultivated. Most of the foods you eat have been tailored to our liking. Even the animals you eat. They are not like the wild animals they came from. That’s how we do things now I guess. But oh my lord. Who cares about cavemen really? Nobody here is a caveman.
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      Editing … If you really want to know about cavemen there are new techniques to find out more about what ancient people ate. From a recent archaeological study about the mouth micro biome of early humans for example we learnt that even long before agriculture, starchy foods were a very important part of the human diet (so things like your beloved tatties, grains, rice and so on). Amylase, the most abundant protein in our saliva is a digestive enzyme that turns starch into glucose to fuel your body and brain. The streptococcus bacteria binds to amylase and likes to eat the sugars that form in your mouth from starchy foods and it forms a film around your teeth. High amounts of streptococcus bacteria have been found on early human and Neanderthal teeth. These bacteria have been found on early human and Neanderthal remains but not in chimps. So it is something uniquely human. Because starchy foods are mostly in the ground or protected by a hard shell and thus more easily absorbed through cooking and chewing with amylase (that not a lot of animals have mind you, only a hand full) humans probably had that energy dense food source pretty much to themselves because other animals leave those foods alone for the most part. Even Neanderthal teeth have been found that have ancient starch on them that had probably been cooked. So cooking has very probably been with us for a long time and starch as well. We’ve been eating grains long before cultivation. Lots of fiber and plant remains have also been found in ancient poops. Cavemen did not only eat meat and berries. They were eating a whole bunch of things. Probably a greater variety than we do because we typically always buy the same foods.
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      Editing … I googled it. It seems they ate loads of stuff that we don't have anymore because of plant breeding. So like, what foods grow naturally in Europe then? If the world ended and shops and farms and stuff just weren't a thing anymore what would we find to eat wandering the countryside?
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      Editing … Think it’s interesting what this lady says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHlTIL2nSjE She says she has been researching ancient gut microbes and that she has not seen a dramatic change in gut microbes between pre and post agricultural humans but she did see a massive shift in industrial times. So it's probably due to the way we process foods now.
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      Editing … If you want to eat ancient vegetables you can eat dandelions or goutweed.
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      Editing … I was thinking how screwed I'd be. I'd have to hunt dogs and cats or something or I'd starve to death.
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      Editing … I think you would die anyway since you seem so pessimistic about your survival and are not thinking in opportunities. So the dogs and cats will eat your carcass instead. I think if any caveman were around now they would be raiding our cities to get Cheetos and McNuggets and they would become obese and addicted to Netflix within half a year.
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      Editing … I don't think there's much nutrition in dandelions. I could eat a whole garden full of them and not be full.
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      Editing … I CARE ABOUT CAVEMEN
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      Editing … You mean calories. Not many calories in dandelions but lots of nutrition. But who eats vegetables for calories? You cannot eat enough leaves to get enough energy for the day. You don't eat leafy greens for energy but for fiber, vitamins, minerals and all that good stuff. They are nutrition without the calories. They are the opposite of empty calories. Perfect for all dorito addicts that need to rehabilitate their gut.
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      Editing … No I mean nutrition like I said. You know, amino acids, vitamins, proteins etc. What nutrition is in dandelions? I can't imagine a dandelion has a fraction the nutrients of a dog.
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      Editing … I have a plan now I'm hunting dogs and cats. As I get better I'll move on to bigger animals. I don't fancy fighting a cow straight off they weigh a ton. How am I going to kill a cow? I can't think of a way I'd win that fight. How do you make a spear? Will a sharp stick even penetrate their skin? I very much doubt it. Even if I had a professional spear made by neanderthals could I really throw it hard enough into a cow to kill it? I'm really not sure about fighting big animals. Maybe I could catch chickens.
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      Editing … Damn, that's creepy. I wonder if he has a picture of me.....
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      Editing … I hope he doesn't fap over my fat pics
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      Editing … Nutrition: noun: the substances that you take into your body as food and the way that they influence your health: Chronometer: 100 grams of dandelion greens raw: 14% DV fiber, 73% DV vitamin A, 47% DV vitamin C, 23% DV vitamin E, 865% DV vitamin K, 36% DV Calcium, 19% DV Copper, 17% DV iron, 12% DV magnesium, 19% DV manganese, 15% DV potassium. If you cook them you’d be eating that in just one bite for just 45 calories. So Dandelion greens are almost on par with spinach. And that’s just the leaves. The root and flowers are more potent but it’s not easy finding nutritional info on them. But that’s just the things chronometer lists. Dandelions and other vegetables have other compounds that are extremely beneficial to us. Those are the compounds that help fight disease and reduce oxidative stress in the body. So yes. I would call vegetables like dandelion leaves nutritious because their compounds influence our health in a positive way. Now they defiantly do not give us a lot of calories in the form of carbs, fat or protein but that’s not the point of vegetables. Nobody eats vegetables to get calories. That’s the point of nuts, seeds, root vegetables and potatoes, grains and beans and even fruits to some extent.
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      Editing … And if you hate dandelions but you still want an easy to find non-cultivated plant, you can eat ground elder. You have the Romans to thank for ground elder in your garden. This weed was used to feed the roman soldiers salad and because it’s a strong plant and grows like a weed and they took it with them for easy access to greens. They loved the stuff. If you cook it, it tastes a bit like spinach.
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      Editing … Also dogs are heavily bred by humans so they are a no go. I think cats have not been tampered with much so cats are up for grabs unless they have a cat pedigree.
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      Editing … What that dad does I do in my mind. But only the most special fat people are allowed in my collection. Their bodies have to have made some transformation in their natural flow of movement or their shape must be extraordinary. When I see one I mentally add them to my collection. I also have a fit people collection but that collection is pretty empty.
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      Editing … That's really not a lot of nutrition, your body needs loads more variety than that. Do potatoes even grow wild? Where do nuts grow in the uk I've never seen any?
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      Editing … I might build a bunker and become a prepper. I can hoarde food so I don't eat grass and die of malnutrition
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      Editing … I found this: https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/things-to-do/foraging/ There's not much out there. I definitely need to learn how to kill stuff.
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      Editing … Nod, I'm starting to think you are a caveman. Nobody is talking about eating salad only. I was simply pointing out that if you do not wish to eat cultivated greens, you can very easily find wild greens growing everywhere. I like cultivated greens and I will eat them but if you have a problem with them you can just eat weeds. They are fine to eat and nutritionally more or less equivalent. You can't have a bunker if you want everything to be "wild" btw. Then why draw an arbitrary line after the bunker? If you can have a bunker you can have agriculture and if you have that you have everything you need. You don't suddenly need to become a survivalist. Nobody living in the western world will be able to survive in the wilderness like indigenous people can there are also too many people to do that. Also we have no wilderness to survive in. It is all gone. We turned it into fields for growing food. Just hoard food for the winter like all peoples have been doing for literally millennia.
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      Editing … You know how easy it is to grow potatoes btw? I planted some last year and I took them out then but I guess I missed a few so I have potatoes now this year too. You can just take the old potatoes from the supermarket you don't want to eat anymore and plomp them into the ground and you don't have to do anything after that. They take care of themselves. You harvest them after the levees die back.
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      Editing … I grew some chillies once. Talking of greens I had green beans with my tea tonight, it's been ages since I had some I really like them. I have a load more in with my lunch tomorrow. I wonder if green beans are easy to grow, peas too, they look like they are easy to grow, I used to get them out their pods with my grandparents way back before peas came in tins.
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      Editing … Yes, green beans and peas are quite easy to grow. They just need something to climb onto to hold them up. You harvest them in summer. They taste really great fresh like that. I remember when we went to England during the summer when I was little. We would get fresh peas in the pod from Tesco's or something. I loved them but we never had that here in Dutchland. Maybe some greengrocers have it. I was so angry we didn't have them fresh here. Still am.
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