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    "A total of 11 countries voted against the compromise text proposed by the Romanian Council presidency earlier this week: Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Finland and Slovenia, who already opposed a previous version of the directive, as well as Italy, Poland, Sweden, Croatia, Luxembourg and Portugal. With the exception of Portugal and Croatia, all of these governments are known for thinking that either Article 11 or Article 13, respectively, are insufficiently protective of users’ rights."
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      Editing … @Nodley, do notice that the UK most likely voted yes for the Article 13
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      Editing … It makes no difference because we won't be in the EU.
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      Editing … I don't care anyway all my music is mp3 I don't use YouTube unless sharing with you guys.
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    • MasterCrash
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      Editing … I'm just pointing out because I'm still pretty sure that they'll implement the Article anyways if it passes.
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      Editing … Music isn't really a problem unless you listen to it illegally, which honestly right now there's no reason to unless you really need those 2 to 6 bucks a month.
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    • Nodley
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      Editing … The EU rules are that every member must agree for something to pass. If this goes through it's just another example of the dictatorship it's become. We have no democracy within the EU.
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      Editing … Well, the whole thing is being re-written because of this.
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      Editing … You tube get money from ads, they should pay the royalties when they use the songs just like TV and radio do.
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      Editing … They do tho.
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    • Nodley
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      Editing … Yeah, it's all about money. Vote with your wallet it's the only way to not keep getting fucked over.
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      Editing … Not only that, but if you make a short movie or something and you use a copyrighted music there's a chance that Youtube not only gives the music company royalties, it may just give them all the money you would recieve from the movie. It's not a perfect copyright system by any means, but not paying the companies isn't really the problem.
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      Editing … The only online thingy I pay is Netflix I will never pay for music.
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      Editing … I rather pay for music than for series, so wtv.
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      Editing … So will YouTube become ad free?
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      Editing … No? That would be a horrible decision for them, why would they?
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      Editing … Well, you're paying the royalties. I don't get ads on Netflix.
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      Editing … Seriously, think about it. It's not about copyright, it's about making more money. Artists put music on YouTube to get views and they get paid royalties off the ads. If they don't want to do that they don't have to use YouTube. And copyright is instantly noticed and taken down, just try uploading a top gear episode or something, even under a different title, YouTube knows. It's about more money pure and simple.
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      Editing … That's all true. I just don't see where you're trying to get at.
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      Editing … Also, when I mentioned paying for music I was talking about Spotify and not Youtube
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      Editing … When people say that Youtube is going to disapear, it's not completely true. It's not Youtube in general, it's individual uploads. Companies like Vevo, Sony, Disney, etc.. will still be able to upload their own videos, songs, etc... because Youtube knows that the people posting that own the rights for the material they're posting. The new law they are trying to pass demands that Youtube stops you from uploading that Top Gear video you're trying to upload before you even finish uploading it or they not only have to take your video down, THEY will also have to pay a fine if Top Gear's channel so wishes.
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      Editing … Youtube does not have a way to know if people are uploading or not something copyrighted from the get go, so they'll just block people from posting at all, preventing them from getting those possible fines. The problem with Article 13 is not so much what the Article wants to do, it's more the loopholes that it gives to the media companies to completely fuck up the social media companies.
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      Editing … The EU is fucking evil man.
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      Editing … They're stripping away our rights bit by bit.
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      Editing … And I'm cool with governments doing that to a certain point like for security, I've said this before. But not this kind of money generating crap making the rich richer. It's not really going to affect me but I hope you all see the truth about the EU.
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      Editing … 2 to 6 bucks? Nah man I'd be losing a few hundred a month
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      Editing … Streaming
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      Editing … oh fuck that hell no, I'm sticking with files I can own. No streaming service has all the music I listen to
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      Editing … Nod, if you think the EU is a dictatorship for how it's being run, then I guess you also think the U.S. is? You elect representatives to sit in the parliament just like any other government; it's just one level higher than state or county representatives. You do get a say because you get to elect who joins that body. You can argue that they're all different countries with different backgrounds, but it's not like that isn't true in the U.S. or the UK where different constituencies all have different priorities and interests. You still get a sizeable amount of clout while being part of a system that works to convenience you and those around you. Ultimately pooling your resources will allow you to accomplish more than you all can alone because you'll have a common thing to work for.
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      Editing … Who elected the leaders of the EU? Nobody. They were forced on us. The US president got elected. It's a fucking dictatorship. I'm going to show you some videos explaining it all far better than I can. Gimme a few days I'm kinda busy.
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      Editing … I was playing Plague Inc today, and got an alert that the Eurozone was about to collapse. I looked at my new virus as it spread from the US to Canada. "But... I'm not in Europe..."
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      Editing … did you know they fucking have SIMIAN FLU in that game?! Holy SHIT I was literally thinking from the start "I really wish they had simian flu in this game." how'd they KNOW I'D WANT IT OMG
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      Editing … Streaming has a lot of stuff, between Spotify/Apple Music to Bandcamp and Soundcloud or just Youtube. It's hard that a new artist doesn't have music in one of those platforms (even if I DO avoid listening to music on Youtube as much as possible), for everything else I trust Soulseek since most of the music comunities I've part of used it.
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      Editing … It'd be really inconvenient to have to switch between platforms, and plenty of my music isn't available streaming anywhere, even on YouTube. It's a lot easier to have offline files, and I can actually own my music that way. "A lot of stuff" doesn't matter.
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      Editing … I suppose, the only time I have problems in finding stuff I want on Spotify is when I'm looking for Noise bands, and even then they have a decent selection, like Merzbow, Ramleh, Yellow Swans, Prurient, etc... I just love listening to 99% of my music anywhere anytime. Spotify gives me that.
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      Editing … I always have my mp3 player with me.
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      Editing … I do too. I can't fit 99% of my music on a MP3 nor I can completely change the music I have there at basically any wi-fi spot I have access to.
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      Editing … Why don't you havwe a Fav arstists list? I wanted to check something
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      Editing … I've uploaded all my mp3s to Google play music. I have access to over twenty thousand songs anywhere I have Internet.
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      Editing … Most MP3 players support MicroSD, should solve that issue Crash. And yeah, I don't have most of my lists.
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      Editing … It really doesn't. I can hear about an artist or an album and in a single minute have an album or two of them in my phone ready to check them out.
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      Editing … I wouldn't wanna do that till I was around my higher quality hardware
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      Editing … Well, I really don't listen much difference between my earplugs than I do my headset with the exception of "loudness". My "higher quality hardware" would be my record player.
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