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    I feel like "Alternative" Rock stopped being the alternative at some point in the 90s. Seriously, is there any rock band that came out in the last 25 years that we can consider Hard Rock? I'd argue not.
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      Editing … I don't understand all these genres.
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      Editing … Like, the Rock of the 60s kinda evolved to things like Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Bruce Springsteen... I dunno, things you could call "Classic" or "Hard Rock", but then Punk happened. Punk was basically a middle finger to the rest of the Rock community. Alternative Rock was basically an extension of that middle finger. Artists who decided to move on from the boundaries of Rock in the 70s and 80s, but slowly they got popular, things like The Cure and The Smiths blew up among others. And then the 90s saw the popularity of bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Grunge scene. As well as a Pop-Punk, things like The Offspring, Green Day, Blink-182... then in the 00s that evolved into Staind, Seether, Nickelback, Coldplay, Arctic Monkeys.... and soon that evolution that was happening in the side-lines of mainstream music not only became the Mainstream music, it completely destroyed the original Rock movement.
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      Editing … I can tell Punk, it has that fast drumming I like. Grunge is easy to distinguish too. The rest is all just rock to me.
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      Editing … Grunge wasn't even supposed to be a fixed sound, it was supposed to be a movement in Seattle. Nirvana and Pearl Jam just ended up exploding though. Also, you can't tell me you think Arctic Monkeys, Pink Floyd and The Smiths all have similar sound.
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      Editing … That said, I'm having some trouble dividing stuff for my music post. There's stuff like the new The 1975 album that just goes everywhere, it's supposed to be a Pop album but it has some rock songs, a Radiohead tribute, a mumble rap inspired song, a swing/jazz song... And then there's Death Grips new album which just sounds like a different genre every 4 seconds.
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      Editing … Yeah different sounds but still rock. I don't understand what makes most of them a certain genres.
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      Editing … Well, it has to do with either culture movements or specific techniques/sounds most of the time. They are all Rock, yeah, Grunge is Rock, Punk is rock, Coldplay is Rock. But Rock is what's called an "Umbrella" genre, like Hip-Hop, Pop, Eletronica, Metal... there's a bunch of people doing widely different things inside these genres
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      Editing … Like, #Britpop isn't really a sound, it's just a bunch of British bands who got really REALLY popular worldwide in mid 90s.
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      Editing … I like blues rock too. Old rock n roll, blues, anything like that old sound is great.
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      Editing … The Grammys literally lists a best rock album as one that has over 50 percent rock or something. That's the s***iest definition I've ever heard. And it's not as if the Grammys knows what a rock album is, if they consider Twenty-One f***in' Pilots to be considered rock. So f*** it. Anything in the 90s/2000s is still more "hard rock" than a lot of the new bands in this decade.
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      Editing … Even Better Than Ezra is an edgelord, compared to a lot of the crap today.
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      Editing … I don't even watch the Grammys nor have I ever felt like watching the Grammys. I think rock as a whole is far less representative in the mainstream, you have Royal Blood, Paramore and... uh... yeah... Indie Rock is generally fused with eletronic and pop and this point, so even if I loved the new The 1975, I wouldn't particularly say it was a rock album, just a really fucking good Pop one.
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      Editing … There are some modern bands that are just hard rock. Like Greta Van Fleet is hard rock with no alternative at all. And you look at Ghost or Halestorm they are pretty popular bands with no alternative either. The thing is there are no middle ground bands that do alt rock with teeth to it except Royal Blood, Highly Suspect and maybe some other Jack White tribute acts like that.
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      Editing … I know I went on a tangent over alternative rock, but I think I only paid attention to the Grammys when Pearl Jam won something for Spin the Black Circle. And then I ignored the show until Eminem and Outkast did something cool. Arcade Fire was awesome, but for whatever reason, the show made the presentation look stupidly awkward. So if the show ever turns back to the true edgelord side ever again, maybe I'll watch it. Otherwise, I'll just rely on what I thought was "hard" to begin with.
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      Editing … Anyways, I'm pretty sure that Mastadon was also bona fide hard, but they showed up in the indie era, when hard rock was never even mentioned in the mainstream. So f*** it.
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      Editing … But Mastodon is Metal tho. I'll give it that Greta Van Fleet is Hard Rock, but I guess that just proves that the genre kinda stopped evolving in the 80s since GVF is just Led Zepplin 2: Electric Boogaloo
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      Editing … I would say it evolved, it just changed so much in the wake of grunge and alternative it became unrecognizable. Like Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman I would call hard rock bands and not alternative bands, even though they integrated some grunge influences into their sounds. And then when metalcore came out there followed a lot of mainstream hard rock bands with metalcore influences. I dunno it depends on what you consider hard rock.
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      Editing … The real question is, ARE YOU TRULY HARDER THAN HARD? Because...uh...I guess that was metal. Worst case scenario, we could give hardness measurements, but that sounds incredibly dirty.
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      Editing … Well, if you want H A R D just listen to #Swans output in the 80s. It hardly gets harder than that. And that ain't Metal
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      Editing … The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president? https://youtu.be/5xfOaEJTt1Q
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      Editing … Swans description: "Hello, thank you for listening to our music. I hope it gives you some joy and pleasure." I fucking love the dudes. I met the frontman once, I wish I had taken a picture but it was kinda difficult. He signed my CDs tho
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      Editing … I don't know what President Ronnie has to do with this whole thread... but cool
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      Editing … Bad==Hard. Or something.
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      Editing … President Ronnie doesn't care about ninja people
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      Editing … Ronnie: I just want my burger. Forget you guys. You're too bad.
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