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    Parents presented their daughter with the option of "help or heaven." The child chose to die, believing they'd go to heaven http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/health/julianna-snow-heaven-over-hospital-death/
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      Editing … That's not so bad.
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      Editing … This is child abuse. The kid isn't at the age where they can grasp the concept of mortality, and it would be at least two years after THAT when they grasp their OWN mortality. The kid was lied to and told that death wasn't the end, that it wouldn't cut off every single opportunity they ever had. No, they were lied to, by their abusive parents, and told that they'd go to a heaven, be able to continue having experiences, and that this wouldn't be the end for them.
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      Editing … These parents should be sentenced to time in prison.
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      Editing … Her condition was incurable and extremely debilitating.
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      Editing … Incurable, not untreatable.
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      Editing … She was too young to understand her own mortality (and she'd even been lied to about it), and thus she didn't even know what she was really being asked.
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      Editing … This does sound like the kind of situation the comforting belief in an afterlife was invented for but presumably the parents believe in heaven themselves so they won't have consciously lied. It sounds like that poor little girl wouldn't have lived long either way.
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      Editing … This type of indoctrination is still child abuse. I hold a similar view to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU
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      Editing … I'm in the library so I can't watch a video. What is it you're advocating? The parents decide about life prolonging but painful treatment? Doctors decide? The young child gets a say but you're not allowed to teach them religion?
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      Editing … I'd go with the doctors. Parents should not be allowed to take their kid's actual life into their own hands (otherwise we'd never solve faith healing). This kid's too young to understand their own mortality, so asking them would be stupid. Especially being that they've been indoctrinated to believe in a heaven, they might as well just think "this hurts, I'd rather go to my Second Life™"
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      Editing … Child shouldn't be the sole decider because children don't know anything. Parents shouldn't be the sole decider because parents are cunts. (also religion) Doctors shouldn't be the sole decider because medical fashion. (also financial conflict of interest) The parents, doctors, and child should each have a say. This more or less happened here.
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      Editing … I'm all for doctors being able to overrule parents when they're denying their child the obvious treatment for religious reasons (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to let their kid have a blood transfusion). This seems less clear cut. Painful, briefly life prolonging treatment vs palliative care to limit pain and allowing the child to die more peacefully is as much a personal decision as a medical decision.
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      Editing … "The doctors said there was a reasonable chance Julianna would die there after being subjected to painful procedures. Even if she lived, they said, it would probably be for a short time, and she'd probably be sedated, unable to think and talk. There was no right answer, the doctors told them."
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      Editing … tbh we could use less children in the world, especially indoctrinated religious ones :^)
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      Editing … Not funny Husky.
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      Editing … Why not
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      Editing … A kid died.
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      Editing … I know, the parents were complete idiots thinking their kid was mature enough to make that decision.
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      Editing … I just realized that I don't apply the logic in my previous post to transing children. I guess it's because the circumstances are different.
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      Editing … Also, the religion is sort of a scapegoat here. It's entirely possible that the kid would've chosen it regardless, and the parents.
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      Editing … They weren't asked "the loss of all opportunities or hospital," they were asked "heaven or hospital." And being that they wouldn't grasp their own mortality, they shouldn't be able to decide regardless of whether or not they're religious.
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      Editing … That's a good point. But then again maybe it's better not to know. What's the point of knowing only to die later. That's almost like if you have 2 weeks to live so you decide to watch the top 100 movies of all time right before you croak. What was the point. So grasping your own mortality is almost rather consumeristic in a way.
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      Editing … If watching 100 of the best movies in 2 weeks before dying is useless, then what's useful? Which of our actions do have meaning, then? What's the point for going on for ~80 years when everything you did will be forgotten to you once you're gone?
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      Editing … Life is useless without entertainment media tbh.
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