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    Where it all began...

    I've recently been checking some of the threads on the site, just for old time's sake. It gave me some legitimate laugh-out-loud moments, especially alot of posts from @nodley, @Aramonde, @Klem Oib and @Bob GutSmasha. Reminded me of some really great discussions, where it could easily go from an extremely serious debate to an outright joke fest in like 3 posts. It's kind of why I love unikGamer so much, it's the only community i've ever been a part of in which this actually worked flawlessly: we were all very pasisonate. We'd talk shit about anything, and no one got mad at anyone. We'd throw jokes all around, and everyone came in and threw some of their own. It was such good fun!

    Looking back at my posts, though...it left me feeling a bit cold. I chuckled at alot of what I posted, but some of it was just...ugh. I was such a dumbass. I was downright annoying at some points, I cannot believe some of the shit I put you guys through. I can only imagine what you thought of me as a person. I like to think that i've grown alot since unikGamer:

    . I used to believe art could be judged objectively - now I know better.
    . I used to swear alot, and CAPPITALIZE EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN WORD - now I write better.
    . I used to ramble alot meaninglessly - I don't think I do that anymore.
    . I used to take discussions personally, which led to literally offending you guys - I seriously hope I got better at this...

    I remember some really great discussions though: many times i'd argue with @nodley and Vlado about OOT and FFVII. At the beginning I was mostly a dick, but after awhile it actually evolved into mostly healthy debates with some snarky retorts here and there. The infamous "dogshit > OOT" was born during these discussions, along with many great quotes. I still stand by many things I said, like OOT had a legitimate impact in 3D gaming and was the standard for action adventure at the time. My arguments for defending were rather poor though, and when confronted with a counter i'd usually go back and present the same argument for some reason. I guess most of it happened because we're 3 passionate individuals, and stand by our own opinions strongly which we all can relate to. The important thing is that in the end we could call it a day, and be good and ready for the next day.

    There were also some movie and music discussion, but not nearly as much as games for obvious reasons. I remember when I called "No Country for Old Men" a boring piece of shit, without realizing the implications of such statement. A very good reply from @Michael Z completely blew me away, it didn't change my overall opinion of the movie but it showed me that film (and art in general) can be seen from so many different perspectives. I feel like it was the starting point of me accepting that art is subjective, and that the varying opinions and discussions they create is one of the many beauties or art.

    Good times...and then there were the bad times...

    The times where I acted like a complete idiot. In my 50 Greatest Songs thread, where I made my very own top 50 songs of all time, @Magwaza came right out and said "Bullshit! That's all I have to say." and proceeded to explain why the mere thought of such a list is stupid. I looked back, and actually sided with him! I literally said out loud, alone in my room "Yes! He's right!". By page 5 I came in and made, quite possibly, the worst counters in the history of this wonderful community. Seriously, i'm not even gonna mention them right now...they make me wish I could go back in time, to slap myself in the face for being so disrespectful and just so fucking stupid. Seriously, dude...if you're reading this i'm sorry.

    I don't even want to know what went through @Bob GutSmasha and @Doubleagent Louis's heads everytime i'd argue about FFX and FFXIII with them. They're probably like "who cares?" at this point, but I got to admit that it still gets to me everytime. It's like me trying to fight with everyone at the same time, I almost forgot how tough it can be to be alone on something. Even if it's as insignificant as not liking a game, arguing with everyone screaming "you're wrong" was stressing to say the least. I still stand by many things I said back then, but what really irks me to this day is when one would say "my opinion is backed with logic, yours is not.". I find it very offensive, because isn't a logical argument still a very subjective thing? Whether a mechanic is good or not, or is contradicting to something else? I felt that I was the only one with the "burden of proof", and whenever I explained where I was coming from I was immediately shot down. My behaviour aside, I don't think it was always fair.

    And then there were those two discussions I had with @Bob GutSmasha, @richardpale and Ninnersfan, and those "broke" me. I can't find or remember the first one, but the second one was in the Heavy Rain thread and we were discussing if it could be really considered a game. I thought it couldn't, and to this day I still think David Cage's work are the bare minimum of what can be called a video game. I'd call them visual novels, kind of like Phoenix Wright or The Walking Dead, the only reason why they're in the video game category is because they have some form of interaction. Anyway, the discussion didn't went too far into ugly territory but it did end up with me saying "Ok you're right, i'm sorry...I quit." The first one ended in a similar fashion. These two affected me quite a bit, it was during a tough time of my life and I just couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't stand the fact that absolutely no one was agreeing with me, or even trying to understand what I said. So I made the decision of not prolonging it, and left the site for a month...

    Made me feel like shit. Deep down I always knew no one at unikGamer made the discussions personal, but I couldn't help thinking this way. I'm fucked up, and I don't believe that changed. What I believe has changed is how bitchy I was, and how incapable of understanding other points of view. And I have the community to thank for that.

    unikGamer has taught me an important lesson: it's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's about talking. It's not about persuading or convincing, it's about expressing yourself. It's about sharing and accepting. It's not about hatred, or about proving others wrong. I don't know why I haven't realized this sooner. It does feel good to know I finally made that step, and now I think i'm a better and more tolerable person for it.

    So sorry guys, if I mentioned you in a ridiculously long and whiny post, but I felt like taking all this off my chest. None of this would happen if I haven't decided to go back to unikGamer for a day, just to remember how it was back then. And I have to thank @Pape Badiane, of course, for creating the location where this community came to be. I am not lying when I say that unikGamer, and now Favslist, are the 2 places I had the most fun on the internet. It was 4 years ago, and it feels like yesterday. I'm glad I did it.
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      Editing … When I read your discussions about unikGamer, I can't help but feel jealous. I wish I could've met you all sooner. I bow before you Ulty, what you wrote was deep.
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      Editing … I loved our arguments on FFX, you don't have to apologize for having an opinion. We were in our early 20s too so maturity of expression wasn't there; I look back on half the things I say as dumb crap. I didn't think of you negatively if that's what you're worried about though, I just thought of you as a crazy Portuguese who liked the wrong Final Fantasy games :p
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      Editing … You're slowly growing up and seeing sense my young padawan. Once you finally see FFVII>OoT your journey will be complete.
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      Editing … Apart from doady I was never serious, for some reason me and him just never got on. I wish klem would come back.
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      Editing … Wow, I didn't realise my comment had such an impact. *bows* But rest assured I always respected your opinion because you never came across as snotty or arrogant. Passionate, sure, but passion's good. Strong opinions I can handle, it's just the way they're put across that's important. Anyway, a really great post there and a suitable homage to the early days of Unikgamer. *clap*
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      Editing … It's raining this morning, but your post just made my day :). Good times...
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      Editing … Ulty you went adult, did not know such a long post is possible, the read made me nostalgic. Really miss the comments of Doady and Klemoib & Co.
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      Editing … My main memories of you back then Ulty are a million casual disagreements we made into the running joke of "wow, we actually agree on something", I remember you disappearing from the site for a while and I remember you telling us about your youtube channel when you came back but I didn't remember the Heavy Rain argument. Just went and had a look at it now sorry if I could've moderated it better (I think I was a mod at that point?).
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      Editing … I miss unikg's (and especially early unikg's) more active community and some of the members that didn't jump ship to favslist or have went quiet since they did, and I'm nostalgic for how much more passionate a lot of us seemed to be back then (myself included). The threads that stick in my mind are the forum games (I should really restart some of those on here....), the intro threads (only community I've ever been part of where half the site would welcome you if you made one), the hyper passionate gaming discussions (me and my ME3 rewrite/criticisms and Niners wanting his indoctrination theory to turn out true so badly to fix our favourite series's ending), my long campaign for limitless lists and custom lists (the struggle continues, although we do have honourable mentions now) and my epic politics discussion with Blitzsage and Sudertum. On the flipside I do like favslist more in a few ways (mainly compared to unikg at the end which I wasn't enjoying as much). We have less heated discussions and hostility, I'm not a mod any more so I don't have to deal with trolling and take storms in teacups seriously and the scope is so much wider here because it's not just about games any more and as much as I like gaming I really appreciate that. I remember being really hyped when Pape gave me early access to FL.
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      Editing … "Sha Ember": unikGamer was truly a memorable place, would love if you were apart of it back then. "Bob GutSmasha": Glad to hear that. Like I said, deep down I always knew that none of it was personal or judgemental but i'm just screwed up. And for the record, I may be a crazy Portuguese but i'm not the one who likes the wrong Final Fantasy games xD "nodley": OOT >>> dogshit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFVII "Sudertum": Whatever happened to doady? Haven't heard from him in ages, his presence is deeply missed. "richardpale": Dude you don't have to apologize for anything, like I said the whole thing happened because of me. I was going through a rough time, combine that with how screwed up I was back then and you got a recipe for disaster. We're like opposites, it's a really rare occurance when we actually agree on something. But I like the fact that we can still create healthy discussions. Favslist is great (I cannot wait for the new design and mobile app), but unikGamer will always be the place where it all began. It's "objectively" the greater site xD
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      Editing … Yeah it's not working. Even if I copy the comment without tags or smilies, delete the post and paste everything in a new post it still cuts it off. This is very annoying...
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      Editing … It's something Pape built into the site to stop too many bad opinions from crazy Portuguese people. He learned his lesson from UnikGamer :P
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      Editing … We can carry on the conversation here Ulty: http://www.favslist.com/forums/The-Unikgamer-Memorial-Thread-627
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