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Saved!Barcelona is literally an anime
Messi is the hero of the story, overcoming almost impossible odds (growth hormone dysfunction) and joining a huge club as a nobody, slowly growing to a young prodigy under the weird master Ronaldinho, who later falls out of grace. Cristiano Ronaldo is obviously the anime villain, handsome, muscular arrogant guy who wants everyone to hail him as the greatest ever and plays for the rival team. On the way to stardom Messi marries the love of his youth. Slowly the team that chose him starts to win. They win more and more, and Messi is their biggest hero. Lovable sidecharacters like Xavi the tikitaka-autist, Pique the hothead and Iniesta the loving captain. Enter current era, a former bad guy named Suarez joins Messi's team, known for his horrible temper and multiple (multiple!) biting incidents. Playing with Messi, he and Neymar, the vain primadonna forget their pride and temper, and become friends playing the best football ever seen, fueled only by the power of friendship. In the meantime Ronaldo's team consist of mercenaries who are rather loveable (Modric, Bale and Marcelo for example)
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Wait, you forgot the bit where they all avoided taxes and may go to jail. -
Saved!Not ImportantEditing … There were a lot of things I didn't include. Also only tax evasions that is unsettled right now is Neymar. And that doesn't take away from the fact they they are the best and most dominant team ever. -
Saved!Rich .Editing … This is almost as good as your Leicester are a crazy underdog story post. Wish I saw football the way you do mate.
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Saved!UltyEditing … So much bias in that post, and so much shit left out just so that they can look good. I know it's your opinion dude, and I respect it. On contrary to most people, i'm kind of wishing that this Ronaldo-Messi era ends... -
Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Ulty I was obviously making it shorter and excluded a lot of shit to make it more of an anime. But you can't deny that Messi is straight anime tier. Ugly midget who marries the low of his life and is the most loved/best football player of his time.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … I was wondering how badly Ulty'd react to this :p
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Saved!UltyEditing … He might be the most loved footballer of his time, but the best? No. I'm sorry, but just...no.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … I agree about wanting this era of football to end, it's too predictable and it's way too based on which clubs can afford the biggest transfer fees/wages. Next season things'll be different, watch out Champion's League Leicester are coming! :D
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Messi is easily the best player of his time Ulty.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Hey, Not Important! What's wrong with being an ugly midget? Take that back this instant!
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Saved!UltyEditing … God, me too. I'm so sick of this Messi-Ronaldo, Barcelona circle-jerk media. And no nodley, he was never the best of his time...and neither is Ronaldo, by the way. They're top 10 for sure though.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … In my opinion, Messi is such an incredible boost to his team, and his influence is far bigger than "just" scoring goals and creating chances, which he is incredible at by the way. In my opinion he is one of the best players ever. Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets are wonderful, but I'll still give the crown of best Barca player to Messi.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … There are players in other positions that maybe deserve more credit but Messi and Ronaldo seem to be the two best goalscorers in the world, when you combine that with the Barca-Real rivalry all the attention makes sense. Anyway that's not what I'm sick of, I just don't like arrogant big money football. On that front Real need to change at least as much as Barcelona do.
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Saved!UltyEditing … I actually believe it's the other way around: the reason why Messi can perform so well, and in such a consistent way, is because he had the INSANE LUCK of landing on a golden generation of Barca talents, like Busquets, Alba, Puyol, Pedro, and of course the midfield legends Xavi and Iniesta. This allowed legendary football coaches Cruyff, who invented the tikitaka playstyle, and Guardiola, who was allowed to perfect it and put it to use thanks to the surge of amazing talents, to get the ball rolling. Messi is a combination of an incredibly gifted player, no denying there, and also a really lucky bastard xD I might come off as someone who hates the guy, but I don't. I hate Barca, which I admit I have a seething, burning hatred for, but I can put my feelings aside and admit that this Barca generation is the greatest in football history. But Messi at the top? Nooooo, bcuz dats boolshet! He's the perfect complement for the playstyle implemented in this team, but not the ultimate responsible for the team's success. That is, in my opinion, over-simplifying it to a ridiculous level.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … I don't know what Messi ever did to you Ulty but you're wrong, you need to let it go. He's an immensely talented player, easily in the top 10 of all time. He's not just a flash in the pan either like a lot of talents, he's been going over 10 years and is as good as ever.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … I will never agree with you on this Ulty. Messi is the carrying force of a dysfunctional Argentina side. And his creativeness in the attack is something completely unheard of. You can't just brush him aside because he is also an incredible attacker that scores shittons of goals, he is also the best attacking playmaker ever. Of course I'm not trying to say that he is the same player without Iniesta, Busquets and Xavi on his midfield, but those wonderful midfielders thrive on wonderful attackers. Look at Spain in WC 2014 when they didn't have a functional attack. Iniesta was worhtless, and so was Alba and Xavi (who admittedly only played in one match). Every Barca attack runs through Messi. Even moreso than every ball goes through Iniesta.
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Saved!UltyEditing … @nodley...but I agreed with you, he is incredibly talented...what are you blabbing about? o_O @Not Important fine, it's your opinion and I respect it. I heavily disagree, I just hate when my "objectivity", for lack of a better word, is put to question when I say something that is not agreed by most people.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … I'm definitely not questioning your objectivity, I see your point, my point is just different. Let's agree to disagree.
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Saved!UltyEditing … Not you @Not Important, every time I have a discussion with you I always know it'll be a respectful one. I was mentioning more @nodley, who goes out and says i'm wrong and that I should let go. What is this, am I not allowed to argue now? He even asks me what did Messi do to me, when LITERALLY ONE POST AGO I said I have nothing against the guy and even ended up praising him for being an incredible talented player! o_O
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … He is a roided midget though.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … That post was referring to Martin, but I just realized that it could be applied to Messi too :D
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Sorry Ulty but I'm definitely questioning your objectivity. Firstly on the grounds that y'know you're a Real Madrid fan with a self confessed seething burning hatred for Barca. Secondly on the grounds that I thought we both agreed that nobody can be totally objective ages ago ;)
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … I agree with Richard. Plus, Messi is the best.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Cheers Nod, just so we're clear I don't think you're objective either though. Firstly, you seem like a Messi fan. Secondly, you're obviously enjoying messing with Ulty a bit.
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Saved!UltyEditing … @richardpale...but you completely failed to see that I CLEARLY MENTIONED that putting it aside I can, without a single problem, admit that this golden age Barcelona is the best football ever practiced in the history of the sport. I literally got "the bias kicked out of me" with that statement. Seriously, when it comes to quality football i'm all praises for this Barca. Secondly yes, no one can be totally objective, that's why I said "for a lack of a better word" because I meant objective in the sense that I can put my personal bias aside for the discussion at hand...and that fact ALSO allows me to disagree with you guys! Soooo...which is it? :)
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Lol, you take things way too seriously. Just admit Messi is the best and let it be done with.
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Saved!UltyEditing … No.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Messi > dogshit > OoT
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Saved!UltyEditing … OOT > Xavi & Iniesta > dogshit > Messi > FFX
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … P.S. Sorry for ruining your post Not Important, but it's kind of a habit around here, and we're not likely to change anytime soon.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … You're apparently objective enough to admit Barca are having a golden age of great football, objective enough to admit Messi's one of the top 10 players in the world at the moment but you disagree he's an all time great or better than Christiano Ronaldo in a way that would seem in my non objective opinion to be motivated by your Real Madrid supporting bias preventing you from being totally objective about Messi. You are of course welcome to object to my own lack of objectivity. There, nice and consistent logic. You happy now Ulty? ;)
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … In other words he's wrong :D
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Nuance isn't really a concept you go in for, is it Nod?
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Ulty thinks Messi>CR7 though. Right?
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Nah, last time I checked he thought Ronaldo was better. I actually don't have a strong opinion either way myself, I don't watch either of them regularly enough.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Really? But he likes playmakers. That's mental
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … CR is the antagonist in this anime though, so he can't be better, he just got where he is by evil deeds.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … True. I might not have a strong opinion on who's better but I definitely like Messi more. The guy seems more likeable, Ronaldo's arrogance annoys me a bit plus he used to be the worst diver in the Premier League back in the day.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … I prefer to watch Madrid, they are more direct and exciting, but I don't see how anybody could deny Messi is the best player in the world. I get Madrid fans support their own, but c'mon.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Looking at objective qualities (goalscoring ability, assits, key passes and chances created) Messi is the superior player. He is also more successful and more of a teamplayer. And subjectively more likeable.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … That's interesting. I've never looked at the stats much. I presume Ulty subscribes to the Mark Twain school of thought on statistics: http://utahpoliticohub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/public-opinion-2-728.jpg
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … But Ulty is saying Messi's stats are only that good because of the team around him.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … I was gonna say objectively won more trophies too but Ulty will also put that down to the team, not Messi.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Probably fair points but you can make them about any attacking player that's had other good players around him setting him up (or keepers protected by a great defence etc). Ronaldo's not exactly carrying a mediocre team on his shoulders over at Real.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … By the "but he had a good team backing him up so he's not that good really" logic Alan Shearer's probably the best ever striker. The teams he played in really weren't that great but he's still the Premier League's all time top scorer.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Messi is far better than Shearer though. Shearer was impeccable, a fantastic poacher and great at creating chances, but Messi is still on another plane of existence just based on his ability to create. And you edited it already.
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Saved!UltyEditing … All I said was Messi is an incredible player, and that I didn't think he was the n#1 of his time...and BAAM - 27 notifications in under 2 hours! And i'm the mental one :S Please continue, gentlemen...
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Well, I think it's mental to consider CR7 to be better than Messi. Like, on what basis do you make that opinion?
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Saved!UltyEditing … Please, I beg of you, don't ask me why. I really don't want to create another 287 long notification fest on this post xD
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Shearer > Ronaldo. Ronaldo couldn't do what he does in those England, Southampton, Blackburn or Newcastle teams. He'd have sulked about getting no help and forced a transfer.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … So you do think Ronaldo is better than Messi? That's weird considering that you seem to rate playmakers (Xavi, Iniesta, Modric) but not Messi, who creates plays all day.
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Saved!UltyEditing … I'm gonna regret this, but what the hell...yes, playmaker is my favorite kind of player but that doesn't mean I can't prefer a winger, defender, box-to-box, striker or whatever over another player who happens to be a playmaker. I prefer Dani Carvajal over Nico Gaitán, for example.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Wait, do you think that he is a better player than Messi, or do you just like him more?
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Saved!UltyEditing … ...both. *runs away*
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … B... But how? Messi is statistically superior and he is also a bigger influence on his team.
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Saved!CaffEditing … I am Yank and what is this -
Saved!Not ImportantEditing … It's sawker
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Saved!CaffEditing … ^I understand now, thank you
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … @Ulty This still bugs me though. Messi scores more goals, creates more chances, plays a more intelligent game, has won more and is just statistically superior. I don't see how you can consider Ronaldo to be better than him on any level really. Weirds me out, and I'd really like you to explain it to me so I can get over this mystery.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … It's because he's Portuguese.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … I think the best way is to compare their impact with their National teams, neither are particularly good and rely on their star player, plus it was the same competition. Messi dragged his team all the way to the world cup final and came close to winning. Erm... I dunno what happened with Portugal or Ronaldo.... it can't be worth remembering though if I forgot.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … I don't think Ulty's coming back to this conversation, is he? Ah well in the absence of a counter argument I guess we can all conclude Shearer > Ronaldo :D
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Maldini>Shearer
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Messi > any Portuguese player in history
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Saved!Rich .Editing … @Not Important At defending, sure. As a striker, not so much.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Humbug, Maldini was twice the striker that Shearer was!!! !
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Saved!Rich .Editing … Humbug? Humbug he says! Carry on like this and you'll be getting a visit from three spirits Ebenezer. I say Shearer was ten times the striker Maldini was, twice as good in midfield and five times the goalkeeper ;)
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Shearer is underrated, look at what he managed with crappy teams, even Thierry Henry playing with the invincibles couldn't score as many goals as he did.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … If Henry had spent his whole career in the Premier League I reckon he might've edged Shearer's record but yeah, Shearer's definitely underrated.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Henry had a better goal per game ration than Shearer, and he spent a good amount of his peak years in Barcelona. Shearer is one of the best strikers ever, but imo Henry is a tad bit better.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … I'd say Henry edges it as well but the Shearer played in weaker teams thing's worth keeping in mind.
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Saved!UltyEditing … Henry > Shearer. Both are great, though.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … One could argue that Henry, as the sole goalscoring threat of a weaker side, would have scored as much as he did as the top threat of many in a strong team. But it's just guessing and speculation, so no point in that.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … @Ulty please, I'm begging you! I can't figure out how you see Cristiano Ronaldo as the superior player to Messi :(
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … It depends on your teams style of play I guess. Shearer thrived on getting into the box and getting on the end of balls, Henry liked to drift to the left and pick up the ball and contribute more. Henry couldn't match Shearer for power, physical presence and heading ability, and Shearer didn't have as much technical ability and creativity as Henry. Imagine those two together though, goals would come from anywhere.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Definitely top two strikers in the Premier League era.
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Saved!Football FeverEditing … Shearer's ability is often underrated though because of the way he bullied defenders. Check this out, he could have played for any team in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owbw1VSJ-zg
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … Yeah, Shearer as the target man and Henry a bit behind him as a second striker. In my opinion the top three strikers that have played in the premier league are Shearer, Henry and Suarez. Suarez was there for a short time, but he was incredible. Honorable mentions to Van Persie and Owen.
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Saved!Rich .Editing … That's pretty much my take on Premier League strikers as well, I'd at least give another honourable mention to Bergkamp though.
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Saved!Not ImportantEditing … How could I forget Bergkamp, I'm an Arsenal fan!
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