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    @Ulty @Crimson @Richard Pale @Sandvich @John Villarose @Samuel Flanders @Veterini Havelock Sorry guys but it turns out that it's a 2008 movie instead of 2009.
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      Editing … Can you explain the difference between this and #Daybreakers? (One using the Venice Film Festival date and the other not using the Toronto Film Festival date.)
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    • Papissama
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      Editing … From wikip: "The Hurt Locker was first publicly released in Italy by Warner Bros. on October 10, 2008."
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    • Magwaza
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      Editing … Every movie should just use the imdb release year. It would save a lot of trouble.
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    • Papissama
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      Editing … Well, which one do you chose then? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433362/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt
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    • Ulty
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      Editing … The earliest wide audience release date should be the one that counts, IMO at least...
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … I would use the release date in its country of origin, ie. if it's an American film let's use the American release date. Might get a little complicated with international coproductions though.
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      Editing … Daybreakers is a 2009 movie in the same way Minecraft is a 2009 game. I don't see the significance of wide releases. There are films that only had a festival release and nothing else. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
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      Editing … For the ones with only a festival release, I would guess you go by the DVD launch.
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    • Magwaza
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      Editing … Which part of "There are films that only had a festival release" didn't you understand? That obviously includes DVDs VHS etc.
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    • Ulty
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      Editing … I guess Magwaza has a point, some movies only get a festival release. I guess we should take the festival release date as the top priority, and for those that don't get it just put wide release date, dvd release or day it was first broadcasted on television.
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      Editing … I don't even see the problem. The date a film gets first legally released (doesn't matter how) should count as the release date. Imdb does it this way and pretty much every other database (wikipedia, MUBI, letterboxd, allmovie, rym etc.)
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      Editing … The logic was that the wide audience release date is the one most people who register on this site are more familiar with. But then we realized that didn't make much sense. I guess the festival release date should be the one to take, if there was one of course...
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      Editing … The film's in my top ten list for whichever year it was released, not going to bother me whichever year it's listed. =D Heh, oh the irony Ulty... you complained about nobody ranking the movie in the 2009 list because it was listed as a 2008 release on the site, so we switched it. And then the movie wasn't up when everyone made their 2008 picks, so now nobody will have it listed in their favorite movies of 2008. =P
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … Sometimes films get released at festivals only to be pulled back into post prod (eg. 2046), most of the times the official release date is the date the film gets officially released to the public. There are exceptions, of course. That aside, Wikipedia distinguishes between festival release and cinema release and tends to list both, plus Imdb lists the release date of the user's IP adress (ie. I'm based in Germany so Imdb gives me the German release date on the movie's main page).
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … Magwaza, stop being so fucking rude (your response to Fincher).
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … The festival release date should not count because sometimes films get released only to be pulled back into post prod for re-editing (eg. 2046), hence there being a delay until it reaches the general public. This is also the reason Wikipedia tends to dinstinguish between festival- and the official cinema release. Of course there are films that only get a festival release but these are few and far between.
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    • Magwaza
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      Editing … It's still the same movie.
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … Bollocks, the 2046 that was screened at Cannes wasn't the same movie that was released in the cinemas.
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    • Magwaza
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      Editing … A different cut ≠ a different movie. Otherwise we would need two 2046 pages.
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … Er, yes it is a different movie. Doesn't mean we need two pages though, that's just you being a dick. Again.
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … We don't. We just need to accept that the official cinema release is the, erm, official cinema release, ie. the date is was released to the general public. And not the date some half-finished version was released to a bunch of invited guests and festival goers.
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      Editing … I would accept it if any other movie database on the internet (or in form of a book), wouldn't support my point of view.
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    • Papissama
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      Editing … I kinda agree with you Mag that we should keep things simple. It's just unlike other sites, we're ranking stuff, that's why the choice of the official release date is more important to us.
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      Editing … Magwaza, how does every other movie database support your point of view? Imdb mostly lists the general release date of the country of the user's IP. And it doesn't tend to list festival screenings as the official cinema release. Others, like Wiki, make a clear distinction between the first festival screening and the official cinema release. That's for a very simple reason, namely that a festival premiere rarely counts as an official cinema release, because when it's screened at Cannes or Venice or wherever it's still not widely available to the general public, which is what an official cinema release BY DEFINITION entails. In other words: a festival screening is not a cinema release. A premiere is not a release. A release is a release. It's when it's RELEASED, ie. when it is available for public exhibition. Sometimes a premiere might coincide with a release but that doesn't mean the two are one and the same.
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    • Michael Z
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      Editing … Film release
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    • Papissama
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      Editing … Ok, here's what we'll do! We'll stick to the PUBLIC release date and if there is none, we'll go for the premiere release date. Let's move on now.
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      Editing … That's the best possible solution IMO. Thanks Pape, and sorry if the discussion got a little heated.
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    • Papissama
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      Editing … No harm done! The discussion was very civil and you all made some good points but we can't all agree on everything.
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