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Saved!LizardTaroEditing … No olives. -
Saved!KlemoibEditing … Can we never agree? black olives >>>>>>>green olives -
Saved!NodleyEditing … Ew black olives are worse than Terranigma! -
Saved!Husky WingEditing … Had to pick the yucky black olives off my pizza -
Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm not buying anymore black olives. I'm going green olives and colassal olives.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You never had quality black olives then. I love green ones but black ones and red ones of high quality are fabulous. The cheap ones not so much.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I've had olives all over, Egypt, Tunisia, Italy, Spain... pretty sure some of them were half decent. I just like green olives more. Because they're BETTER! :D
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … No! fight!....... no....Why no both?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I eat both daily. But green are... let me phrase this politically... more suited to my tastebuds. After a few black olives the taste gets a bit too much, but I could scoff green 'uns all night long.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … On the subject of olives, I've stopped consuming olive oil and seem to be feeling better than ever. -
Saved!KlemoibEditing … Why would you "consume" olive oil? How much were you taking?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I bet he was chugging pints. I get my mackerel in olive oil but obviously drain the tin. I fry my eggs in it too. I reckon I eat 100ml a week or something
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I would put a tbsp or two over canned Goya beans, I was up to a whoppin three tbsp for canned salmon bc it's a bit dry, despite not being as dry as canned tuna. I guess that's what it took for me to realise that maybe my body doesnt really like the stuff. (despite it tasting *really* good) In fact it feels kind of acidic, no? First vinegar, now oil. My no-no list is becoming increasingly restrictive. But it seems to be working!
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Instead of cutting it out just cut down. Talking of vinegar, do you have an English fish and chip shop near you? You HAVE to have salt and vinegar on your fish n chips. Now I want fish n chips....
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "Instead of cutting it out just cut down" yes this. Vinegar is great for you if you just splash a bit in or on your food but don't go and drink it. 3 tbsp of olive oil is a whole lot ( that's about 360 calories of oil alone. A banana is just 100 calories for comparison) but a tiny splash of oil for taste is not going to harm you if you just use it for a little extra taste.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Overdosing is a great way to find out what your body does and doesn't tolerate. If you do moderate amounts of everything you never find out what is making you sicker. I can eat three apples in a day, or 3 protein bars, or 3 glasses of milk, and feel great. That's why those can stay. But 3 tbs oil is way too much? Puh lease. (what's doubly funny is Gundry says you should eat olive oil like it's soup, lol.)
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You think 3 glasses of milk a day is OK? Here's what I know about food: every single thing you put in your mouth is food or poison. If either helps the body function or hinders it. And too much of a thing is as bad as too little. It's a machine that requires a set amount of vitamins and minerals and proteins and everything else. You wouldn't run your expensive car on cheap oil and the body is the same, but MUCH more valuable. I'm pretty bad sometimes I ate McDonald's yesterday and I'm chugging beer like the world is ending this weekend, but I do know it's poison and hurting me in the long run. I think once you start thinking along the lines of food or poison you start to realise how you can hurt your body so easily by eating/not eating things. I think the best advice is to just eat a bit of everything in moderation.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "Overdosing is a great way to find out what your body does and doesn't tolerate." uuhm... ooh...... I could go into how this logic is flawed but.... I am here for the show.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … You only have to overdose once. That's better than continually consuming it for the rest of your life without ever finding out what it's doing to you. I agree w nod on one point though, all food is abusive if not poisonous. But certain foods are much worse than others. There's a lot of shit I learned to avoid consuming in any quantity, like bbq sauce, alcohol, sweets, and much more.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … gah, there's a story of that former milk man who lived to be like 109 and drinks as much milk as he wants, but I can't find it atm. Well w/e, I'm sure yall heard about it.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Overdose usually means you are dead. There are stories of centenarians smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. Maybe I should start smoking too.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I've never heard of a cigarette overdose. How many packs would that take?
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Apparently if you smoke 5 cigarettes at once you could get a lethal nicotine dosage theoretically. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/ and from wikipedia: "a case was reported where two brothers smoked 17 and 18 pipes of tobacco in succession and were both fatally poisoned" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning . You would have to really want it but you could get there if you really work for it.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I once had a dream that I got addicted to cigarettes. Cigarettes smell awful. Smoking in public spaces should be banned.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Isn't it banned in most places by now?
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Not the bus stop or my goddamned sidewalks >:(
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Actually I think it is banned at the bus stops, but the cancerous fUCKS ignore the signs. I want them FINED and sent to the principal's office immediately!
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Yeah it is banned at stations here but people smoke anyways. I try to live and let live and I try to move away when I can from the smoke but sometimes it's like they really want to catch you in their clouds and then I wish them all the cancer in the world lol. Not really but it does piss me off when that happens. Vapers too. Vapers are mostly twats because they are pumping out new and unknown chemicals that do god knows what and somehow they think they can vape anywhere because there is no combustion. I'd rather sit in actual cigarette smoke than in a chemical vapor wave. Classic smokers have more respect in my experience because they know that what they are doing can be annoying or harmful to others. Vapers have no such self awareness.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I think vaping culture kind of leans into being intentionally obnoxious. Am I getting the wrong read there?
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … lol it feels that way to me.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "Moderation as a concept in nutrition is abstract, has largely failed & is almost entirely bullshit" https://twitter.com/DoctorTro/status/1673662563681222656
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I agree that something like juice does not suddenly become "healthy" in moderation. Something unhealthy does not magically become a healthy food because you eat less of it. Eating less crisps is still unhealthy (except if you are starving then a pack of pringles suddenly becomes the elixir of life). But there is a point where you can eat something unhealthy in a certain amount where you will not suffer for it if the rest of your diet is overall healthy. You can enjoy the taste of something unhealthy if you want and if you don’t overdo it you will still be healthy because the rest of your diet is good.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … But there are also foods that actually make you healthier but you cannot eat a lot of them because they are too potent for that. Also if you eat a lot of one thing you use up calories you could spend on something your body needs more of but are not giving to it. Then even something healthy like broccoli becomes unhealthy for you at that moment because you only eat broccoli and nothing else. Your body has certain nutritional "buckets" that need to be filled. Some buckets are small and some are large. You want to fill all your buckets but not overflow them. Some foods may have something you need in large quantities but the bucket you have for it might be really small. You should not eat a lot of that food then but a small amount will benefit you and fill your little bucket quickly. Some compounds are also very beneficial in small quantities but poisonous in larger quantities. Everything can become a poison if you have enough of it and yes even water of course. You just need to balance your buckets and eat a variety of foods in appropriate amounts. There is no food you can eat limitlessly.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Yep, everything is food or poison. I'm ok with a bit of poison ruining my body if it's delicious beer or pizza :D
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I've been thinking about trying to cut out bread lately. I don't eat a lot, just 2 slices a day, 5 or 6 days a week, so like 12 slices maximum. I guess it's not going to hurt me one little bit just that amount but I'm thinking of cutting out everything processed. What can I eat instead though? I like my egg sandwiches.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Why not get some nice wholegrain sourdough bread and ditch those weird white rectangles you sometimes post.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm not super clued up on different breads, I would need to do some decent research. And by research I don't mean watching keto videos who slam bread and only mention the negatives. Wholegrain sourdough eh? I might google that weird sounding jumble of letters
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I found these, I could have 1 for each of my 4 work days: https://groceries.asda.com/product/speciality-flavoured-rolls/asda-extra-special-wholemeal-sourdough-rolls/1000367592379 But then look at the ingredients: Wholemeal Wheat Flour (55%), Water, Wheat Bran (4%), Wheat Gluten, Rapeseed Oil, Wheat Fibre, Fermented Wheat Flour, Wheat Flour, Emulsifiers (Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids, Mono- and Diacetyl Tartaric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids), Salt, Yeast, Malted Barley Flour, Fermented Rye Flour, Palm Oil, Palm Fat, Flour Treatment Agent (Ascorbic Acid), Acidity Regulator (Acetic Acid), Wheat Flakes Damn that's a lot of extra crap I never expected to find in bread.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … What? nah that's packaged crap. You need to get them freshly baked from the baker's. That's real bread. That kind of bread is so tasty and actually feels like you are eating something of substance instead of mass produced white bread. Or you can bake it yourself but it's difficult. Or get a bread machine and you can bake your own fresh regular bread all the time. The at least you get to chose what you put into it.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Ah, it's no good. I need something I can throw together to make a sandwich or go with my eggs super fast and I don't have time to visit bakers as well. I googled and people say sweet potatoes but I eat those at lunch, they say bell peppers or lettuce but no, just no. Maybe I should just settle for the best supermarket bread I can easily get until I figure this out. My ultimate goal is no processed food.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … When I start my old job again breakfast will be easier I'll have more time.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Maybe I should look into a breadmaker though, I could do a couple of loafs on a weekend! How long does bread stay fresh?
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … If you put it in the freezer it will stay good for a week or two. My sister has a bread maker and she is lazy but she uses it all the time and the bread tastes fantastic. If you get a good quality bread maker you will be getting great bread for the cost of basically just flour and whatever else you want in your bread. I think all my sister does is dump in the ingredients in the evening, set the timer and then the bread gets baked at night and then she has fresh bread in the morning. Store bought bread tastes like cardboard in comparison but fresh bread does go stale quicker because there are no preservatives in homemade bread. So eat it fresh and put the rest in the freezer.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I guess I could pre cut it into 2 slices and wrap each parcel for the freezer then I can just whip it out make the sandwich and it'll defrost before I need to actually eat thd sandwich.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Pretty much. If you do it like that is still tastes quite fresh too.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I need to learn how healthy 100% wholewheat/wholegrain bread is. It's everywhere in every shop and costs less than £1. If I can find one without much crap added I'll use that for a bit, at least until my new kitchen is fitted in August.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Studies show that everyone who eats whole wheat bread dies someday
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Best is to soak the grains whole like oatmeal and eat it like that but that does not sound like something you would like. Whole wheat bread is a big step up from your pale squares.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … This ingredient list doesn't sound any better than white bread: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/all-bread/sainsburys-wholemeal-bread--medium-sliced-800g
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … It's a cheap crappy bread but even if you only swap out white flour for wholemeal flour it is a better bread. The most important ingredient is the flour because most of the bread is just that. but... why would you only buy the cheapest bread? That is not bread to me. Bread needs to fresh and chewy and tough and crusty made from decent quality flour and it needs to go moldy within a week if left out of the freezer.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … My main reason to buy that is that Sainsburys is 200m away. But I will look at the big brand names ingredients too when I go shortly.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Don't you have a bakery in the shop? Here we have bakeries in some supermarkets and they bake everything fresh in the morning. They lose money on it on paper I believe but overall they make profit because it draws customers in. I never look at the other bread on the shelf. It is too suspicious to me because I know that bread goes bad very quickly if you make it yourself. If bread lasts longer it is Frankenstein bread.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Yeah they have bakeries but I only have time for supermarket once a week, the little local shop has to do for everything else all week.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … get a fresh bred then once a week and freeze it. No problem. I also buy groceries once a week and I just freeze my bread and it's fine.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … don't eat it, it's sugar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOpYVXK21L4
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … lol. That kid will be a lawyer one day.
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