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Saved!Fuck yeah! Just got myself a perfectly preserved pie out the vending machine. First time ever.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You know what? A few days ago I have been preached to by a macho meat eater guy with pink hair about that people should eat less meat. Like when did that happen? I feel like I'm living in opposite world. Maybe it’s my fault maybe I should do my part and be the one preaching to restore the natural order of things. The world is a scary place.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … We should definitely eat less meat, I agree with nearly everything parsnip shaggers say, except the part about not eating meat and fish at all.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You too? The world has become a sick place. lol. Why do you think people should eat less though? For health? From the ethical perspective it makes no sense to me to just eat less meat. The pink guy made that argument to some girl. He said he felt sorry for the animals so he would just eat less of them. If you think something is morally wrong, you don't just do less of it, you don't do it at all. That is what I would think anyways. I thought it was kinda weird. I just sat there clenching my vegan teeth.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm absolutely 100% on the side of nutrition. I knew a lot back doing MMA but I was so naturally light and still young that I didn't need to put effort in. Then I got to nearly 40 and I swore I'd get a 6 pack and that's the picture you see now. I know through trial and error and many years what nutrition is. Meat and fish are REQUIRED for an OPTIMUM diet. I eat mackerel every day even now I'm not training, fish oils have so many benefits. Too many carbs turn to sugars, so balance it. It's so easy to eat properly, I'll walk you through my profile pic at age 40. I had oats for breakfast, 40g with water not milk. 10am I'd have a sandwich, usually tuna, need to be looking at your carbs/protein balance, try ham or beef, but REAL meat, i love mackerel in olive oil just get some protein. Lunch I used to have sweet potatoes and cottage cheese or some kind of protein, pick your dish. But the carbs/protein balance is real. There's also different types of protein hence the cottage cheese choice instead of meat. Do rice and fish, chicken pasta whatever, just be aware of that balance. 3pm snack time - fruit! Bananas are great! If you do this all day you'll be hungry despite eating a lot because you ate the right things your body wanted. So for tea I let shit go wild, I'd have ANYTHING as long as it wasn't bad. For example I'd have a chicken curry with rice and chips. Or I'd have a full roast chicken dinner and just have a couple of roast potatoes and 1 yorkshire pudding and a bit of stuffing(all the veg though!). Or I'd have chilli con carne made with turkey mince so I'd get loads of portions for 3 days, and I make everything with fresh tomatoes, chilli, garlic, onion etc. It's so simple! But everybody just resorts to: BURGER FOR CHEAP OM NOM NOM! But eat less meat, live longer I guess. You need like, 1 portion of red meat and 2 white meat a week plus some fish. And lentils are good, and beans and rice make a comlete protein apparently... all I know is that I felt like fucking superman and there was no way on earth anybody 9st(57kg) could beat me, I was a machine. But my grandad was warned of red meat after his hear attack in 1990, I know all too much the dangers of too much, he ate cow pies my nana cooked everyday for 40 years. And once you get past the whole nutrition thing theres the land and stuff it takes to feed so many animals to feed every fat yank eating burgers. So yes, everybody should eat less meat. And if everybody actually took an interest in their health that would be great, but we all know it's 10% at the most and most of those will be done by January 12th because it's not easy or tasty.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "Eat less meat" heh. Part of the reason I started eating meat again last September is because I heard about the carnivore diet. (eating ONLY meat) I haven't actually done that 100%, but still, it did turn me on to the idea that maybe meat is beneficial after all, especially fish. Dem fatty acids. Though I had jarred sardines in rapeseed oil recently and I wonder if that does more harm than good because of the oil. See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k I'm extra cautious lately. I never buy meat with added sugars (common in deli meat. yuck.) I try to avoid meat with sodium nitrite and nitrate. even though it's apparently very common in things like sausages. I avoid dairy because my body seems to reject it, plus a lot of dairy contains sugar. (I was surprised by this.) I switched to drinking exclusively sugar free coca cola. It actually took me a while to open up to eating fruit regurarly because of the high sugar content, but I've decided the pros of fruit vastly outweight the cons. I've started to treat naturally occuring sugar and added sugars as being totally different. I still can't wrap my head around carbs however. Should I be mentally treating carbs as sugar? Is there a conversion table for that? (e.g. food with x carbs is equivalent to eating y grams of sugar) I don't get that.. -
Saved!NodleyEditing … Too many carbs turn to sugar Rukk, and you need to burn off the calories you eat or they will turn. You don't need to exercise just be active. And bad carbs do too. You need to eat good carbs and not too much - 50% of your diet should be carbs, 30% should be protein and 20% healthy fats. You won't just pick it up overnight, it takes months to learn the balance whilst finding the foods you like. I eat turkey sausages because they're miles more healthy, i will make a sausage casserole with loads of veg in and mash up some sweet potatoes and there's another good easy balanced meal. Bread can be bad carbs, that's why i only ever eat 2 slices a day, but don't shy away from "bad" stuff, just limit it, if your diet is a chore you'll quit so eat the damn sandwich if you want it, but stick fresh tomatoes, lettuce and onion and whatever in it too. As for sugar I don't, i might have 1 spoon of demerara in my coffee if I really fancy it. In my oats I pour in some honey and a spoon of cinnamon and that's it.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oh, and you can absolutely eat the vegan option if you want. Just remember that you need them healthy goodnesses that come with meat and fish so eat them every other day maybe, just get some in your body. Eat salmon Monday, a chicken breast Wednesday and a turkey mince chilli on weekend or have a small steak, or sausages or whatever, tinned tuna or mackerel. Get some variety for different nutrition.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Oats as in oatmeal? It's funny, I used to love it. Now I don't consider it food. At some point to me it feels like minced cardboard soaked like water. As for bread. I avoid bread, not because it contains carbs but most bread is made using sugar. (I was surprised by this) That is why I am ok with sourdough bread. But I should probably be careful with that too. I bought a loaf the other day, not sure what to do with it, lol. I might toast it and put sauerkraut on it but lately I noticed sauerkraut is incredibly sweet/sugary as well as sour. Eating it feels really intense, lol. I always feel on edge afterwards. It's good for your digestive health probably, but bad in all other respects.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Hehe Carbs are not the devil Rock. Relax. As long as your sugar like stuff is packaged in fibre like how plants do it you're fine. The problem starts when you extract the sugars and eat it in concentrated form. Your body is not made to process concentrated sources of sugar (or concentrated forms of fats/oils like cooking oil or butter or concentrated extracted forms of protein like protein powder). Your nutrition should be packaged up in whole foods so your body knows what to do with it. I think if you stay away from coca cola and fried foods you are ahead of the pack already though. I think if everyone concentrated on that first we’d be a lot healthier as a population.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oats with honey and cinammon taste great Rukk. I really fancy some chicken pasta now I've been thinking about it, I need some peppers, I'm off to shop.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I don't agree with you guys about needing specifically animal protein or fats to get optimum health. There are many contradicting diet theories in popular culture out there. All I will say is: stay the fuck away from the carnivore diet people. Their blood results alone should scare any well thinking person away. That and the fact that they only poop once a week or so. I never really thought about the health aspect of types of food before going vegan. I have been vegetarian since I was 8 and I know from experience that not eating meat won’t do anything bad to you (even though my brothers tried to make me think I would slowly shrivel away because I was not eating any magical meat). But I never imagined that the dairy products I was still eating were actively harming me my entire life. I had to discover that after I fell into some diet trap telling me that eating lots of high fat dairy and eggs was good for you (without doing actual research of my own because it sounded plausible to me at the time and they had nice pictures of yummy dairy). I had already developed little benign tumours in my breasts at age 13. I thought nothing of them until then but after the extra dairy they grew and multiplied like motherfuckers. Hurt like hell. I tried many diets and always tried to ignore the vegans because I loved dairy so much. When I researched the type of tumour I had though, something clicked. My tumours were said to be oestrogen sensitive. Milk actually contains mammalian oestrogen our body can directly use and growth hormone for the baby cow to grow. The fat in dairy (any excess dietary fat really) also slows down your digestive system. These two things did me in. To eliminate any old and excess oestrogen so it doesn’t get recycled into the body, you need lots of fibre to capture the old hormones and you need to poop it out within an expectable amount of time. That wasn’t happening because of my dairy frenzy. (And no I was not allergic to dairy) I was also receiving extra oestrogen and other hormones from the milk. My tumours loved it. When I pieced all the puzzle pieces together I ditched dairy instantly. Best thing I have ever done in my life. Pain was gone within a week and it never came back and I could poop again like a champ. I can out poop you all. It won’t even be a contest. I regret nothing and I don’t miss dairy one bit. This channel (with info on science and research based nutrition) helped me a lot in finding out specific mechanisms that could be fucking up my system, I owe my golden poops partly to them. Maybe it can help someone else too: https://www.youtube.com/c/NutritionfactsOrgMD/videos
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I don't really bother with dairy, I don't drink milk. I eat cottage cheese though, and every so often I will have a cheese salad sandwich. But the amount I eat is small. Meat has many nutrients Klem, and whilst you can substitute some in your body needs it in it's natural state. It's like, your body will only fully absorb the meat nutrients if they all arrive together, as in the meat your body is designed for. You end up pooping out half your vitamin supplements.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "Oats with honey" You lost me. Never am I eating honey. I cringe at the fact that I used to put brown sugar in it. (which doesn't even taste good! I later noticed that the best tasting oatmeal is simply oats. water, salt. But at some point it started to taste off to me and I stopped. The oats never seemed to soak enough. It was always cardboard.) "That and the fact that they only poop once a week or so." lol. I need to get more fiber. That may be what's wrong with my diet. I personally think fat from sources like fish. meat and eggs are good, while "added fats" from oils are usually bad. (likewise, added sugars gives an oily or syrupy texture to things, so you end up with something like honey. It's disgusting.) I think you are right about that slowing down the digestive system. But then again I'm still evolving and I constantly backpedal on things. It shouldn't be long before I decide all fat is bad, assuming that turns out to be true. Thing is, meat doesn't even seem to contain that much fat or is it just me. The listed fat content of potato chips is higher.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Honey is natural though, sugar is processed.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Yeah that's true. Maple syrup too I think. if only all added sugars were either of those. Although I would still choose to avoid them.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “Meat has many nutrients” : meat has nutrients, yes, but it Is nothing compared to plants. Also meat comes with bad stuff as well while veggies and beans and stuff do not have those bad things like cholesterol, saturated fat, AGEs and hormones.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “Whilst you can substitute some in your body needs”: I don’t have to substitute nothing but b12. B12 is from bacteria in the dirt. B12 is also given to animals though because there is not enough in the soil anymore/the animals don’t get outside to eat the soil).
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “ It's like, your body will only fully absorb the meat nutrients if they all arrive together “: this is just not true. Your body would be fully retarded if it could only absorb nutrition that way. The amino acids in plants are fine. You just eat a variety of grains and beans and they give you all the required amino acids. If it didn’t work. I’d be dead by now and all those bodybuilder vegans would not be able to get big at all.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “ meat your body is designed for.” :There is actually a lot of evidence that our bodies were not at all designed to eat meat. Yes we are able to digest meat. But we are also able to digest mcDonnalds. Just because we can digest a thing does not mean it is good perse. The longest lived populations all had in common that they had very low meat consumption. Meat probably helped us survive though in winter because it is calorie dense and plants are not around then. People around the equator could eat plants all year long though.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “ You end up pooping out half your vitamin supplements.” :Yup. Good thing I don’t need no vitamin supplements because I eat fruit and veg. That’s where vitamins come from.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … There. My vegan duty is done for the day. The balance in the universe has been restored. I am defending plants and Nod is defending dead animal flesh. All is good in the world.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I personally greatly enjoy the taste of meat.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I drink lots of coconut milk which is high in saturated fat, as is all coconut products apparently. I don't know why saturated fat is bad. Regardless, I am wondering if I need to lay off the stuff. I feel great drinking it, though. Is it high in sugar I wonder? Coconut logically must contain sugar, don't know why the milk has 0g sugar. I only buy the "unsweetened" variety, but wouldn't they also have to remove the naturally occuring sugar in order to get 0g? p.s. I did a lazy google a few days back "is saturated fat bad for you" and it brought up a contrarian article saying there is evidence to suggest that it might actually be healthy. That was good enough for me. I must have downed another carton or two of coconut milk afterwards, guilt free. I wonder, though..
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I still take supplements as well. But I started to wonder if some of them are harmful. I threw away the ones that contain maltodextrin or other sugar derivatives. I am taking several oil supplements (peppermint oil, pumpkin seed oil, black cumin seed oil, wheat germ oil, borage oil) but after seeing that yt video I linked to earlier I wonder if all oils are unhealthy period. I mean after all, it's not found in nature so we didn't evolve to eat it. I know olive oil is still healthy though, because... well. I have no idea. But I'm sure there must be a reason.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oh come on klem, fish oils have proven benefits, and chicken and turkey have minuscule amounts of saturated fat. Just B12 you say? https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants it's like I always say, eat a balanced diet with a bit of everything, including a bit of fish, a bit of red meat and a bit of white meat. McDonald's burgers and 50oz steaks every day is not the same thing as what I'm saying.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I've been told olive oil is healthy because people who use it most in the Mediterranean live longer Rukk. I don't ever recall reading an actual study though, I've just been going off what I've been told so maybe I'll google it today. I get my tinned mackerel in olive oil so always get some even if I don't make a dish using it.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I can't find quickly find the report that shows how food nutrients are absorbed by your body better than supplements, I'll find it later for you. I come across a dozen pages like this though, so I'd recommend anybody taking supplements to just do a quick google and read up a bit, it won't take you long https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324956#Nutrients-from-food-vs.-supplements
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Yes there are certain nutrients you can't get from plants but those are not essential nutrients (that are “nutrients that are required for normal body functioning that either cannot be synthesized by the body at all, or cannot be synthesized in amounts adequate for good health, and thus must be obtained from a dietary source”). Your body makes those nutrients on that link you gave me out of other plant nutrients or it makes it itself like vitamin D. That's why I'm not dead. Vitamin D is good to supplement though for everyone not living in a tropical paradise. The amount you get from food is not nearly enough to really get you through the winter. You won’t die if you don’t supplement but your immune system and other functions get better if you have plenty of vitamin D. That’s why I take vegan D3 in winter.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I agree about the balanced diet but not about that meat is necessary for it. You need a variety of nutrients like carbs, fats and proteins, vitamins, minerals, fibre (and anti-oxidants are a nice bonus if you want to bother) in sufficient quantity and a good ratio. Where those nutrients come from does not matter. Your body does not care. Animals are not magical. It’s the same for carrots. If you think carrots suck I’m not going to tell you have to eat carrots because they have certain nutrients that are good for you. They have certain nutrients yes, but you can get those elsewhere too. If you don’t like carrots don’t eat them then and find something else but make sure you are getting everything you need. That goes for everyone. Meat eaters and vegans alike.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Olive oil is not healthy. It is tasty but not healthy not even if it is pure never-before-been-looked-at-by-a-man purity virgin oil. It's fucking oil. Fats are good but get them from food like nuts and ya know actual olives and what not. Don't extract the oil and eat it like that for health reasons. Eat it in limited amounts if you think it is tasty. It won't kill you but it's not something you eat for health. Eat veg for health.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh yeah I remember learning about fat molecules. A reason (aside from cardiovascular reasons) saturated fat is bad in the amounts people usually eat is that it actually makes your cells stiff. The molecule does not bend like unsaturated fat. No one fat source has only one type of fat though. It is always a mixture of saturated and unsaturated but the ratio you get overall matters. Stay the fuck away from trans fats though. They are the actual devil. Here is a video explaining the molecules: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brs2nMubr84
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Dunno Klem, it sounds like it has some very good health benefits to me: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/11-proven-benefits-of-olive-oil#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3 People could just eat olives instead I suppose, but clearly as shown above a balanced amount of olive oil is a plus for your body.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I cannot imagine why I wouldn't prefer to eat olives instead of olive oil aside from factors such as convenience or availability. I'm hard pressed to come up with an instance where the extract of something is healthier for consumption than the real thing. (e.g. cherry supplements vs. actual cherries, orange juice instead of actual oranges, peanut oil vs. actual peanuts, etc.) Shit.. does this mean extra virgin olive oil was a big lie this whole time?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Convenience is a thing though. As a truck driver I might work 15 hours, get a 9 hour break then work another 15 hours. If I won the lottery and didn't have to work then of course I'd be eating fresh olives and cherries off of young virgins nipples. At least by getting my mackerel in olive oil or chucking some olive oil over my dinner I do still get it in my diet. Get everything in there I say. The only problems you will have is when you have excess of things. Too much fats, too much meat, too much carbs, too much sugar etc. You can't have too much veg though, and you get loads of vitamins from them. That's why on occasions I'll get the 5 bean chilli on a menu instead of getting it with minced meat, it depends what I've eaten that week, if I've had meat and not much veg I will need to up the vitamins. But if I've not had any red meat that week I'll be thinking about getting some of that goodness in my body.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Extra virgin olive oil is a lie most of the time. Most times the olive oil is not even really a virgin. They just reconstructed her hymen to hide the fact she had sex with several varieties of regular olive oil. It is tasty though drizzled over bread.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … It’s true about convenience. I know I get lazy when I’m tired. That’s why I don’t have junk food in the house. I know I will eat all of it when it’s there. I make it easy for myself to eat fruit and veg. I put it in sight where I can grab it and eat it. It actually works and I don’t feel like I’m having to do the whole willpower thing. When I see it I actually think “seems tasty. I’ll eat it.” I’m predictable so it’s easy to trick myself into things. I don’t even see it coming.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I had ribs in pub last night and they were smothered in barbeque sauce. This morning I woke up all snotty, kind of like hay fever. It's the damn sauce, I'm telling ya! It's got e numbers in it and it's processed and it's got sugar and it's got all kinds of not good stuff. I have a treat every now and then but because we eat proper home cooked foods 99% of the time my body will tell me when I've put some shite in there.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … gotta take care of your bodily temple.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … barbecue sauce is disgusting, it's literally candy you pour over your food. I threw away what I had left. never again.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Why would you describe something so delightfully after referring to it as "disgusting"
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Klem. I'm watching a yt about how vegetable oils are satan. Supposedly, saturated fats i.e. butter are better. Before 1900 all foods were cooked in animal fats. Vegetable oils are a recent invention and actually started out as machine oils that we've been tricked into eating. My initial takeaway from this is that saturated fats are healthy, but I have to wonder maybe they're also unhealthy and have the same downsides, albeit to a substantially lesser degree. Anyway the reason veg oils are bad is because they oxidize quickly. I am trying to figure out if all fats oxidize or if it's just the oils. In any case I think I've decided to become pescatarian on account of all this because meats are usually cooked in vegetable oils, while deli meats seemingly always contain sugar or starch, for whatever reason.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Here's the vid. "The $100 Billion Dollar Ingredient making your Food Toxic" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Yeah Rock It’s true! Extracted vegetable oils are satan. Butter and animal fats are also satan though. Saturated fats from animals and coconut oil are a bit more stable when heated to high temperatures and thus produce less crazy chemicals during the heating process, but that does not make then healthy all of a sudden they are still extracted fats. Fats should ideally never be extracted (also not out of animals) or heated to high temperatures when speaking about health. Fat and oil have and never will be a health food and I will keep saying it untill the end of time. The natural fats inside plants are kept form oxidizing when the plant is intact you eat those plants to get the few good fats you need. Cold pressed oil kept in dark flasks are the least unhealthy oils because it is the least oxidised oil but it is still the devil because it is extracted fat. But yeah I still eat oil for taste. I would like to slowly stop or limit using oils. It’s just not good for you. But so tasty. But so bad. But so tasty. I’m sure I’ll manage to find ways to make food taste great without cooking with oil though. I can do it! I BELIEVE!
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Hehe I’ve seen that vid. It’s trending on youtube. The sawdust thing is the perfect scam btw.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I eat a lot of nuts, so I suppose I'm already getting plenty of fat from those. I mainly go after veggies for their nutrients, antioxidants, and fiber. P.S. I wonder how long it will take to push out all the vegetable oils from my body, and whether eating butter will speed things up. x_x
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Seems like you are getting enough fat yeah. Lol you can’t clear out fat with other fat. It’s not like your body swaps out certain specific fat chains for others just because you want to (would be cool). Fat is something your body wants to hold on to. That is just the way it is. Eating butter will not make things better because you will just store that in your cells as well. And what are you going to use to clear out the butter with? Butter is just as bad as oil. Just keep eating healthy fats from whole foods. If you want to get rid of specific fats in your body (which is kind of weird) the only thing you can really do is lose weight while you are eating good foods (and not butter).
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Don’t worry about ‘clearing out things’ I’d say. As long as you are not actively harming yourself with junk your body will be happy and it will know what’s best. The damage oils cause is mostly in the moment you eat them and the day after or so. It does not keep on harming you constantly afterwards (that much). So don’t worry and just slowly start eat healthier things. That is more than enough.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … When you analyse fat chains in people’s fat cells you can see that most of it originally came from the actual dietary fat they ate (though the body rearranges the fat chains somewhat if I remember correctly but you can still see the signature structures of dietary fats). If you eat carbs and fat, your body thinks “yum carbs I’ll use them for energy and seeing as my human ate more calories than it needed for energy I’ll store the fat my human ate for later because converting carbs to fat is hard and I don’t feel like doing that unless I absolutely have to. I’ll even increase my human’s body temperature or increase metabolism if I must to prevent storing carbs as fat. I hate doing it that much. I love to store fat though. I’ll go out of my way to store fat. Sometimes I have to let go of fat which I find sad. My human forgot to eat or something and I had to give him energy. Stupid human“
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Definitely need to put in some healthy fats. Do what I said and aim for your calorie intake to be 50% carbs 30% protein and 20% fat. That way you never eat too much of any one thing and it's pretty balanced. If you do that and are active during your day, not sat in a chair, I guarantee massive improvements in health and body. Remember too many carbs or unburned carbs turn to sugar which then turn to fat. Use this at first, there's also an app you can download for your phone if you like it that way: https://www.myfitnesspal.com/ Once you start seeing your macros you'll quickly get the hang of it and not really need to use it much.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … So today I had a turkey sausage sandwich for breakfast, I was greedy and had 4 sausages so I'm on 596 calories. 40% is carbs, 31% is protein and 29% fat. So I have about 2000 calories left and I need more carbs less fat. I'm thinking tuna pasta for lunch to balance it. Let me enter that into the app.... carbs now at 43%, protein 37% fat at 20%. So for tea I don't want much protein, I want mainly carbs which I will try to do with some veggies because none so far. Normally I'll start the day with oats so I'm chasing the protein, today has been backwards for me. Then tomorrow I want to try mix up the sources of my fats/carbs/proteins. I will have mackerel and rice maybe, then the day after I might have red meat and potatoes. Veggies don't have many calories so use them to fill your plate to portions where you're not hungry, like with the red meat and potatoes I'll have carrots, broccoli, cauliflower and parsnips.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Klem - the vid I linked to specifically said that vegetable oils linger in your body for a really long time relative to other fats. So yeah. of course I want to clear it out. Granted it's probably wishful thinking that this can be accomplished by eating butter. Maybe the best way is simply to avoid oils and wait until my body takes care of it on its own. "The damage oils cause is mostly in the moment you eat them and the day after or so. It does not keep on harming you constantly afterwards (that much)." That's interesting.. I got the complete opposite impression from that vid. The oils are said to shorten your lifespan, so I would consider that long term. Also I figure it makes your skin more prone to oxidation and damage in the long term. After all it is said the oils linger n your body for a while.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I have butter instead of margarine Rukk, not that I use much. And if I fry eggs(the only thing I ever fry) I use olive oil.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You can't "clear things out". It does not work like that. People go through the weirdest detox rituals to "get things out" but it's just superstition. Your body will take care of the things it needs to take care of in time on its own. You don't need to "help" your body unless you have been poisoned or something and then the hospital will pump your stomach. To help your body is like a child helping their dad with his taxes. Your body knows better than you and you don't know how to do body tax. Most of the time if you try to help your body by adding things to “detox” you'll do more harm than good like a child filling in random numbers on the tax form. The only thing we have to do is take care to not eat weird things or things in weird quantities that our body has not evolved with. That's our only job. Just a healthy balanced diet consisting of minimally processed foods. Devil = extracted processed ingredients. Don’t eat them. Eat nature. You’ll be fine. It’s simple but hard because crack tastes too good.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "crack tastes too good." I never had you down as a lesbian Klem.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh and moving! Moving is also nature. To get food in nature you have to move a lot! I'm bad at moving. I should do it much more. I like moving when I do it but I forget.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … And what Klem said. Diet is really easy: balanced and natural.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … What? crack is lesbian?.......Oh. OH. god damn it Nod!
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You do like batcaves though.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … yeah but it's different when you own a batcave. :-P
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "To help your body is like a child helping their dad with his taxes." That. is. hilarious! Although later I realized you could drink plenty of water. That definitely helps. Anything more than that though, is perhaps entering "child helping with taxes" territory, yeah.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh yeah water is good! I often forget to drink enough because I don't get thirsty much but when I drink water it tastes so good and then I realise I was thirsty all along.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … There's something I still haven't figured out yet. Where does olive oil stand in all this? It has a reputation for being healthy but why? Isn't it just another vegetable oil? Or maybe it's not? My mom believes it existed before canola oil. If so, maybe this holds true for certain other oils. Also, Klem. What did you mean by cold pressed? If something is cold pressed that makes it safe?
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil#Early_cultivation "Archaeological evidence shows that by 6000 BC olives were being turned into olive oil" ... "Dynastic Egyptians before 2000 BC imported olive oil from Crete, Syria and, Canaan and oil was an important item of commerce and wealth." That would be enough to convince me that olive oil ought to be safe, assuming modern production methods changed that. I wonder if there are any other oils that were around hundreds of years. Surely they must be healthy too. (Although, it's been argued that bread isn't healthy and that has been around a while, bc hundreds of years is still too soon bc our bodies did not evolve to eat it.)
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … The reason people think Olive oil is a health food is because the people in Sardinia are quite long lived and they eat olive oil. But olive oil is not the only thing they eat. They eat mountains of vegetables. More than the average person and that’s nutritionally the real thing that sets them apart from other populations. There are more factors too like community spirit and exercise. Veggies are the real reason their diet is ace. The olive oil is not. People used the Sardinian study to promote Olive oil though even though there is no real scientific reason to do so. I think super sexy virgin olive oil is tasty and it’s slightly better to drizzle over your food than say butter or palm oil, but you’d still be better off not putting it on your food. Tastes good though. If you like it a lot just eat it and consider it a treat. A chips shop here has a text on the wall: “chips make you happy and being happy is healthy“. Hehe, it’s a little misguided but I like the spirit of it. Life is also about enjoying things which I can appreciate.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I think you are right about it not being long enough for evolution. I think it was in the Bronze Age that people started making oil. No way have our bodies adapted to it in such a short period. Back then oil was also a precious thing. No way in hell people had as much as we did. Cold pressed means there is no heat applied during the production process. That means that the oil has not had any “heat damage” and glitched out molecules. It oxidises fast if you don’t store it in a dark place. That’s why cold pressed is always in a dark flask.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … They also eat fish though klem, not just vegetables. I spent half my life before thw age of 11 in italy, seafood was everywhere.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … yeah seafood sounds to be a big commonality among blue zones
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Fish is not the success of these people. They eat it sure but it’s just like the olive oil. It’s in their diet, but it’s not the thing that made their diet great. Most of what these people ate were vegetables. Same for the Okinawan’s. Fish is not a very large part of the traditional Okinawan diet though people like to pretend it is. The Okinawens were the longest lives population before they westernised their diet and started eating more pork and meat. Yeah they ate fish too but it was a tiny tiny percentage of their diet. Meat has in the past always been a rarity, a special thing. Something people ate only a little bit of. What they mainly eat is boat loads of local and seasonal veg. People will always prefer the taste of calorie rich fatty foods. It’s just natural for survival because you don’t know when your next meal will come. Veggies taste good but not as good as calorie dense foods. But if people just eat more fruit and veg than they normally do they will benefit from it. That is what you can learn from these people. https://nutritionfacts.org/2018/01/11/what-do-the-longest-living-people-eat/
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Saved!NodleyEditing … This one says eat fish daily. And enjoy animal meat twice a week. Which would match up closely to what I actually do when I stick to it, perhaps I have a little extra meat but I'm allergic to plant proteins and nuts anyway. https://www.bluezones.com/2020/07/blue-zones-diet-food-secrets-of-the-worlds-longest-lived-people/#
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oh and don't forget that study in okinawa was done after the war. Britains were still on rations in the 50s. Very few people were eating a full diet back then.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You didn’t read it did you. :-P we can throw articles at each other all day but that won’t help. All I will do is state my point of view. I like to look at the totality of evidence and the thoughts that come out of those. The totality of evidence overwhelmingly does actually seem to point towards a whole food plant based diet. I never wanted to believe this even though I was veg. I grew up with the thought that animal products and even meat and fish were healthy. It did not jive with my world view. I have seen many many sides of the diet argument. Also from your perspective but I still end up here in the end. My food scientist friend also confirms my stance with her knowledge about the body and food. She still eats dairy and meat sometimes though because she likes the taste too much and she does not care that much about animals. I know I can’t convince anyone. There is so much contradicting info and it literally takes thousands of hours of reading before you can actually try to understand how to interpret studies. It’s very difficult to navigate and I’ve had to be wrong many times before I started to see some actual logic shining in this diet debate. I will never rule out that I could be wrong about this but I am pretty sure I’m not. Again I don’t particularly care to convince others. I think people don’t have to eat “the optimal diet” to live healthy lives. I think people will feel better if they just stop eating the things that almost everyone can agree upon are unhealthy and eat more of the things most people can agree upon are good for you like veggies fruits nuts and herbs and spices. Beans scare people sometimes I find so I try not to talk about beans too much, but they are very beneficial as well. After everything I’m just happy if someone is not eating Mc Donald’s and drinking redbull. In this day and age that is truly a great achievement.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … This is interesting. Liver and some other animal parts contain small amounts of vitamin C. And the less glucose you consume, the more efficiently your body utilizes vitamin C. This helps explain why the Inuit did not get scurvy for the most part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU (video title: Carnivore Diet: Why would it work? What about Nutrients and Fiber?)
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … also, eating veggies may make some individuals sensitive to sunlight. (photosensitivity) "Symptoms of photosensitivity may include a pink or red skin rash with blotchy blisters, scaly patches, or raised spots on areas directly exposed to the sun." On the other hand, plant compounds can strengthen our autoimmune response.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … 5 lbs of spinach has a 50 percent chance of killing a healthy person? really? other high oxalate foods include almonds and cashews. hmm... I eat lots of cashews. that bad?
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "Gliadin protein in wheat disrupts the physical barrier of the gut, causing inflammation." Now that's scary. EDIT: Finished the video. Man, that was a much more digestible video than the one about vegetable oils. I finished the carnivore diet vid in one setting whereas could only watch the one about oil in chunks and I *still* haven't finished it! I did watch another piece today though. Turns out vegetable oil consumption has a direct correlation to Alzheimer's rates. Yikes.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Most mammals are able to make their own vitamin c. (in their liver yes) In humans the gene that controls the synthesis of vitamin c in the body got broken but people didn’t notice because people were getting plenty amounts of vitamin c through diet anyways. It’s amazing what the body can adapt to. You don’t need a lot of vitamin c to not get scurvy but boatloads of vitamin c is preferable because vitamin c does more than just help you not get scurvy. The Inuit actually ate small amounts of berries seaweed, tubers, and any plant they could gather so that’s another source of vit c they could get but it was not a lot. The Inuit were not a healthy people though contrary to popular belief. Even their mummies have clogged up arteries but they probably did not live long enough to have to deal with the heart disease. Most Inuit consume a more western diet now and funnily enough they got a little healthier from it. They still have a lower life expectancy than average but a few more factors contribute to that today. I know that video from years ago but it is quite misguided I have to say.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I took an aspirin recently, just one, and got a little sick. But it may not have been the aspirin. I also ate like, nearly an entire box of Ezekiel cereal. (which is my replacement for oatmeal btw.) Maybe that's what caused it. But it's like, all fiber. How can that be unhealthy!? x_x I think it really was the cereal though. Damn it.. for months I had no problems with it. Must have been because I suddenly started to amp up the portions. EDIT: It was the exact moment I started adding walnuts to it. So maybe it's the walnuts? =P If I go by the vid I just watched, it really could have been the walnuts. That vid really emphasized two points to me. 1) Everyone has different response to different foods. 2) plants have all sorts of nasty stuff in them to punish us from eating them. Which all in all means.. I could be set off by any one thing. That part about spinach killing a person emphasized another point as well.. that large potions of any one food are inherently dangerous.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Cashews are not the best nut you can eat but it’s fine I guess as long as you don’t eat copious amounts every day. How much do you eat them? It’s not like you eat half a bag right? Yeah spinach is great for you but yeah. Eat too much and you could get poisoned with too many oxalic acid. But for normal people it’s really not an issue. If you’re not Popeye don’t worry about it. Excess of any fat in the diet could clog up your brain arteries oils too for sure and the spacy molecules surely can’t help either. They say blueberries are a food (there are other foods I’m sure) that can help prevent Alzheimer's a bit. They did studies on this I think. They fed old people a cup of blueberries every day and it helped the old people.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Asprin I found out recently actually is very damaging to your digestive system. The damage occurs directly and lasts until your body repairs the damage I guess. (fucking causes bleeding! :-O) This kinda sucks because it really helps for period cramps but I did notice my stomach feeling weird after aspirin. Oh yeah if you want to increase your fibre intake do it slowly otherwise you could get cramps. You gut bacteria need time to grow. Especially with the cruciferous veggies.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I can totes eat half a bag of cashews. It's sad, I've been trying to lower my portions lately, but as a result I munch on nuts and crackers to curb my hunger until the next proper "meal". I end up eating copious amounts of them. But eating them makes me feel great and I notice no adverse effects. I wonder from time to time if they're hurting me somehow, if only in some subtle way or in the long term. I only recently started to use the cereal this way, since I have like eight boxes of them. That might have caused problems. But if so, I'm so utterly fascinated by the fact of it... then again, I've been eating that cereal for months without problem, so maybe it's the walnuts.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … yeah, I read the fine print on the aspirin bottle before taking it. "stomach bleeding warning". I was like yikes... P.S. I literally bought gut flora as a supplement. I'm always nervous about taking it! I take all sorts of supplements but never gut bacteria, it just seems so weird. It says to take 3 tablets up to two times daily, preferably on an empty stomach. My lifetime total is 4 tablets. (one the first time, three a later time) I'll take some more now and then. Hopefully I will notice the benefits. (Though, I figure, once the bacteria is in my gut, I no longer need to keep taking it. The only reason to take any more is just in case my body didn't absorb it the previous times.)
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I did read it Klem. They used data from after the war up until 1972, nothing before that was known, so it could be something else entirely that we just don't know, maybe everybody walked everywhere then but started driving after American occupation? It's confirmation bias, that article seems to go with your beliefs so you think it's proof, but anybody that doesn't care will look at that article and think what other factors could be involved, before cars, no data, rationing, occupation etc. Spinach and most other plants contain anti nutrients rukk, it stops your absorbing nutrients. This is why i keep banging on about macros 50/30/20. If you get those limited levels of fats and proteins in you'll never eat too many antinutrients, fat or whatever.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Oh I’m sorry if you did read it. It’s just that the article also talks about the Adventists. Who eat no meat and some no dairy and eggs for religious reasons and have been studied and are healthy and old right now in this day and age. They are extremely long lived and healthy into old age. They even have their own control group of Adventists who do eat a little meat. The vegetarians and vegan Adventists are healthier than the meat eating ones. What also strikes me about all these people is that they are active a lot and have great community bonds. I think movement and an active role in society are almost just as important for aging gracefully. I’m also jealous of the Sardinians height. Seems like being short is an advantage if you want to live long. You got that one covered Nod. Not even joking. I wish I was short now.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I don’t think you need bacteria supplements rock. The bacteria will die anyways if you’re not feeding them their preferred food and you already have them in you anyways. Seems like a scam to me. If you just regularly keep eating the same things the bacteria who like that food will grow on their own and help you to digest the food. You don't need to do anything. Only eat. But I guess it won’t hurt you maybe. At worst it’s just an expensive placebo.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Behehe imma live forever. The way I look at diet is this. What happens when you have too much of something? Even water, drink too much water and it poisons you. Veg contains antinutrients, red meat bad fats. It's just a case of being balanced, eat it all in moderation.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Klem, I was scared of the possibility that I killed off a lot of my gut bacteria in past years (due to incredibly unhealthy diet and soda drinking) and that there's little or no way of getting it back without transplant, whether or not my habits improved since then. The tablets seemed like a great idea to me. Especially after hearing much impact gut bacteria can have on every aspect of your health, including mood, energy levels, memory, sleep quality, and so on. I mean, whoa, right? Would I really want to risk /not/ supplementing them?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I've never really drank much soda. When I was a kid a bottle would be a treat, I'd guess 1 a month. As a young adult working I guess I bought whatever I wanted for a while. But it's rare that I drink it now.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … For people who miss certain beneficial gut bacteria a poop transplant is actually most effective. :-P The little gut critters have an entire turd to live off of and they get enough time that way to establish themselves in the gut. Hopefully you still have friendly bacteria of your own somewhere in your gut you can feed so you don’t need a turd transplantation. Maybe the supplements help too who knows? I hope it’s more than just “lacto basilica” lol. That’s the most common bacteria ever that everyone has no matter what. It’s almost impossible to wipe out all of your microbe colonies completely. You’re probably fine. When you start to eat new things the bacteria colonies battle it out with each other for more real-estate. I’d love to see it in action. A miniature war.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I could never get into soda. I hate the fizzyness. It comes out of my nose.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I had orange lucozade a few weeks back and it felt like it was burning my throat. Horrible stuff.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I googled it. It looks like cheap energy drink.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … It's the OG energy drink. That stuff was what our parents gave us when ill back in the early 80s.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … sign of good parenting.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Here's the supplement I mentioned. It has several strains. https://www.iherb.com/pr/now-foods-probiotic-10-bifido-boost-25-billion-90-veg-capsules/83678 Incidentally, I had another supplement named Immune Boost that includes many things (vitamins c, d, ginger, etc) as well as one strain but that's not why I took it. It was before I had the idea of taking a supplement specifically for gut flora. P.S. There was a yogurt I saw at Whole Foods. Touted itself as vegan, low in sugar, and containing live and active cultures. Looked at the ingredients. It only named only strain, followed by "and others". I was like really?? It's like the nutritional label equivalent of me not being able to name a professional golfer other than Tigee Woods.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … By the way I wondered something.. if vegetable oils are bad bc oxidiation then maybe my canned sardines are also bad bc the cans are very cheap and prone to rust, and perhaps I unno your body absorbs some of that infirnation? I don't see anywhere that rust counts as oxidation though. And besides, it's only the edges of the can that has rust. But then again, I never really check the inside..
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Lol! The bifidus bacteria stuff reminds me so much of the late 90’s when Yakult commercials ran rampant. I’m not sure if you know them but they were these tiny expensive drinks that tasted like lemon ice-cream. Most of these food stuffs have the “Tiger Woods” thing. Hehehe. Rust is oxidised iron so it should not be on the inside and I don’t think it will oxidise your sardine oil. Eating rust though is not good. :-P No matter what I do I can’t think of sardines as healthy even if I were to think fish were healthy. They are just dead little fish swimming in oils stored in a can for who knows how long. I’m sure you also absorb particles of the can but at some point you really have to stop worrying about everything that could potentially be unhealthy. I’m going to bake a cake. Fuck health for today! …… I’ll make it with fruits though. ;-)
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Saved!NodleyEditing … "Fuck health for today!" My thoughts most days.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … lol but you can't complain then if you get heart disease and diabetes later.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I can make another boxing comeback. Starting training next week with a view to fighting diabetes :D
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm having a double fried egg butty for breakfast. Deeeeeeelicious!
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … The sardines I've been buying seem kind of junky, like scraps of however many sardines thoughlessly crammed into a tiny can along with all the bones/skin/eggs and whatever, leaving you to sort of have to pick out the meaty bits yourself. I've been having second thoughts. Maybe I should stick to canned tuna. P.S. Aside from carnivore diet. Is there a fruit diet? Maybe that's what I really need. I have been kind of fruit deficient for years seeing as I mostly ordered takeout for so long. I was scared off by the sugar content, but lately I don't seem to experience any ill effects from the fruit I eat (except for maybe a sugar rush) and all those antioxidants and vitamins probably make up for it. P.P.S. I've also been sunlight deficient and forcing myself to stand in the sun every now and then. But I wonder if I should bother with that. I thought it actually feel it working, but what I think I feel is just the heat from the sun working on my skin. Which might actually be a bad thing.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Mackerel Rukk, it's so much better than sardines.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Fruit is good but I’d say don’t eat just one type of food if that’s what you’re thinking. (like the fruitarians do) Variety is a good thing. That being said I love berries they are great to eat. Expensive yes, but very healthy and yummy. I could eat them every day if they were not so expensive. “I’ve also been sunlight deficient and forcing myself to stand in the sun every now and then. But I wonder if I should bother with that.” Oh god yes bother with that. Vitamin D is a hormone that does a lot of things. You need it big-time. Maybe find something fun to do outside so it does not feel like a chore? Do you not like going outside? Here the sun was out for the first time in ages and it feels so good. It really puts me in a better mood when I’ve been outside in the sun. I carried heavy boulders in the garden too and it really made me feel amazing even though in the moment I was dying of the weight. I slept like a log.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Butter is a good source of Vitamin K2? whoa https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUIG5PSENQ
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Saved!NodleyEditing … The thing about using butter you have to stick your knife over the hob for a couple of seconds or rip your bread in half. The fat yank in my wants to use margarine I'm so lazy
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I want to believe the video but in my case butter probably comes with as many downsides. I should go low fat like klem says, and just let the canola leave my body instead of mixing in butter. Speaking of the video, what was that about calcium deposits clogging up the arteries? Because of eating too many carbs? Man. I wonder if that's what I have. It would make sense, because nuts have plenty of both. P.S. Video totally reminded me that liver exists! I haven't had any since going nonvegan. Before I went vegan we used to eat liverwurst all the time growing up. Hopefully it doesn't contain any nitrites or whatever. (Are nitrites really that bad I wonder. I would personally rank vegetable oils and sugars as being worse. So in the end how bad are nitrites really? It's a type of salt and there ain't nothing wrong with salt.)
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … You don't actually need to eat K2. Your body makes it for you if you eat vitamin K. Vitamin K is in leefy greens. If you really want to eat it though without the downsides of butter fat you can eat natto. Natto is very high in K2 150 micrograms per tablespoon (but it tastes like death). Much higher than butter that has only 2.1 micrograms per tablespoon (and liver 11 micrograms per 100 grams). If you just eat green stuff (also avocado) you get both k and k2 so I would not specifically seek out K2 foods. Seems like a lot of effort for nothing…. Unless you like things that taste like death then go for it. Natto is said to be very healthy.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Everyone needs to be reminded to eat their veggies. Yes the green ones no one ever feels like eating. They are always forgotten but they need to be eaten. Otherwise no desert.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Salt is actually no good. (Tasty though that's why people eat it and I do too but I watch it) Too much salt (and you get there quickly) injures your arteries directly and it throws off the balance between your sodium potassium pump in your cells. (Those little pumps in your cells are quite important to your neurons and muscles to function well) It’s a mechanism that keeps the right electrical charge inside and outside the cell. To make the pump function well you need lots of potassium and not a lot of sodium (salt). Potassium is found in abundance in many plant foods including the leafy greens. So it’s a good idea to eat those leaves (and nice vegetables and fruits you like). I think sports people can prevent muscles from cramping if they eat lots of potassium and if you get muscle twitches you might be low on potassium.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … What green ones are there? I like peas, green beans, broccoli, spinach and kale. I can't think of more.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … here is a few leefy greens: https://urduesl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/green-leafy-vegetables-names-1260x1536.png radiccio is red thoug..... still leefy though.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Is lettuce a veg? I guess there's that then. I like spring onion. The rest can go get eaten by a rabbit.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I like arugula a lot. It’s a bit spicy, bok choi is nice too. Red cabbage is really nice and it stays fresh for really long. Parsley, mint, artichoke…. Oh and green asparagus! But that is expensive…. Dandelions are healthy and free. They have lots of antioxidants, calcium, vitamin K, vitamin A and vitamin C, magnesium, potassium. But they are a bit bitter. It tastes interesting though. You can eat the root too. They are researching dandelions for cancer treatment for cancers resistant to chemo. People used to just eat dandelions in the olden days as a salad and they made tea from the dried roots too. Ground elder is another healthy weed you can eat for free and this one tastes mild and not bitter. The Romans brought it with them so they could eat easy veggies wherever they went. It grows by itself and does not need any care. It’s very hard to get rid of once it’s growing.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … No way am I eating dandelions.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I never in a million years expect you to eat dandelions. :-P They are great though.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Hcy9e5hnM
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I don't even know what I have just seen.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm not clicking that link
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Don't you want a little heart attack? It's super cute.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I've had some. When you get a little twinge in your heart it means one of the little veins to a single cell has plugged up and died. It's perfectly normal and everyone over 30 or so gets them.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … oh gross. I didn't know that.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … p.s. I am inclined to think at one point I wrote "I'm not clicking that link" in response to one of nodley's links and now he says it whenever I post a link. It must have been a long time ago. I only vaguely remember it.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … p.p.s. WKUK does a lot of skits poking fun at racism, but I just thought of something. The black woman at the end of the skit. They must have cast her solely for that skit, right? I mean, she's obviously not a cast member. (the cast is only white men, it says so right on the tin) So did they go out of their way to hire a black woman to say "aw hell no"? Isn't that racist? I hope not because that skit is awesome. (see also token black guy from Not Another Teen Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUhNdBRSPs)
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I thought the black woman was the least funny from the skit. It's too American for me. I can't handle it.The little kid munching away at his butter bars was gold though. That little face. I can't!
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … @ nod. Really? That actually does not sound normal at all. How do you know you have had miniature heart attacks? Did they x-ray you or something? I've never heard anyone over the age of 60 complain about a "little twinge" in their heart ever.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I saw a doctor explaining heart stuff once. That's where I learned of heart plaque too.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Well that sucks. I hope it does not weaken your heart health overall. Hopefully you didn't need those cells. Maybe your heart was just doing a Marie Kondo.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You have billions of them one or two every now and then don't matter much. Like getting punched in the head loses you brain cells I guess, just don't do it too often and you'll be right.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Guess I be carefull not to get punched in the head and heart too often then.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Stay safe
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Taking cold showers to improve health? it never has to be easy.. well ok, scratch that, everything up until now has been relatively easy. (eating fruit, taking supplements, going outside during the day, etc) I guess I'm just spoiled and lazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IvJ15Ug6fc I wonder if I have the balls to try this.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … There has not been a lot of good scientific research about cold exposure. Not sure if it would really be worth the trouble to find out. If you think it’s fun you can try it I guess. I do know that people overestimated the effect of the cold exposure in the “Wim Hoff method” (some dude in the Netherlands decided to become a hippy and found a way to manipulate his own physiology and he tries to teach people how to do the same). People get benefits from the Wim Hoff method, but researchers found it was the breathing technique he teaches that actually gave the participants the most health benefits, not necessarily the cold exposure. By the way, stay away from “Dr.” Berg. He’s a literal quack just like dr. Mercola. Really, stay away. Don’t even touch with a 10 foot pole.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Cold shit is absolutely a thing that works. Tons of top athletes do it, ice baths and all that crap. I jumped in the ice bath after a sauna once and decided that high performance and recovery were definitely not for me. I'll do it the natural way - lay there complaining to anybody that will listen about how you ache so much.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I can imagine you could recover faster from muscle fatigue but people attribute many different things to cold exposure. I don't know if it does all those things too and to what extent. I sure as hell will not take cold showers unless it gives me superpowers or something. I remember this old guy standing outside every day at the bus stop. He wore clogs and shorts year round also when it was freezing and snowing. His legs were always blue…. Maybe he had superpowers. I should have asked him. He definitely looked special. I also remember almost drowning from jumping into too cold water to save a pigeon. (You get involuntary reflex to gasp for air if you get into too cold water). It was super cold but when I got out I felt pretty good. It wakes you right up.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I hate the cold. I'm actually really good with it, once I get going I will be fine, more than most. But no way am I voluntarily getting cold.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I think I may have had one of those heart twinges nodley mentioned. I downed a can of tuna over a can of beans, with Frank's Redhot and pickles, and afterwards two bowls of cereal with nuts. (lol man I was hungry) I guess this means I am one step closer to death, but it was so worth it.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … :-O We need miniature cpr machine.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Imagine a world with no Rukkshard.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … No I can't! I don't want to! who will ruk harder than he? Noone! that's who.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … That rukker rukks harder than any rukker to ever rukk.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … That's right!
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … looks like I've become vegan again. oops. ┐(￣～￣)┌ beer is out too. Did you know that stuff contains carbs? Apparently that's where beer belly comes from. The carbs in beer is actually enough to increase the mass of your stomach by that much. No thanks.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You're meant to enjoy a beer every now and then not drink it all day so you get fat.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … The hard beer belly is fatty internal organs pressing against your belly wall. You can get beer belly even if you don't drink beer. It's just a sign you eat too much calories and your body chooses to store that fat in the organs for whatever reason. Men's bodies like to do that a lot. Woman's bodies prefer to store the fat in hips and legs most of the time which is lucky because that does not affect health as much as fatty organs.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Did you become vegan again by accident?
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … It was pretty incidental yeah. Last month I got a nasty wound on my left hand, making it very difficult to wash my hands, so I had to avoid touching meat. My skin is mostly rebuilt now, almost entirely thanks to plant sources of protein. I feel as though I didn't need meat after all. And truth be told I was eating less and less of it before this happened due to my avoidance of added sugars and cooking oils, and bc meat doesn't process as easily as other foods. What Dr. Gundry said was true I think, meat takes a lot of water to digest, causes inflammation etc. It has more protein sure, but assuming your gut now has to buckle down and slowly mine away at that piece of steak you ate, it kind of defeats the point if you ask me. In any case, I gave meat a chance (9 months) and it wasn't the miracle drug I thought it would be, so I guess that's that. P.S. I could see myself being pescatarian also, bc fish why not, and hardboiled eggs. It's so rare that I eat those, though.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … It’s good to realise there is no miracle food I’d say. It makes eating much more chill I’d think. The only thing that came close to a miracle for me was quitting things that were actively harming me (devil dairy and devil eggs :-P ) and not necessarily adding new foods. Well adding more veggies did make me feel much better ontop of that but quitting eating bad things is the best improvement I’ve seen for myself. Even if you only cut out the worst things from your diet that’s really a very good step I’d say. If you stop eating crap you stop feeling crap. It’s simple but it’s true. If you eat healthy on top of not eating crap you get energy boost and feel better still, but going from feeling crap and having abdominal pain to no pain and feeling fine is the best feeling ever.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I have this crazy idea right, it's a bit extreme but give it a bit of thought. Right, instead of eating too much or just eating veg, why don't you......... eat a balanced diet?! You can eat meat everyday and not get a belly. You can drink 1 beer a day and not get a belly. Try doing those macros I said, limit your diet to 50% carbs. If you're high carbs today don't have a beer.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Ballanced like one sheep ontop of a tiny lettuce leef. :-P Balanced macros is good, but It's not hard to reach that. If you hit your overall needs for carbs, fats and protein atleast somewhat on the mark most people are fine without minding their macro's. Most people overdo the fats though. It's easy to overdo them because fat has 9 cals per gram and often has no fiber to make you feel full. I'm sure Rock is not only eating vegetables all day. He wouldn't be able to get enough calories to type and click the post button otherwise.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … No, he's troughing meat and swilling beer, he got fat like me. I know exactly what he's doing :P I keep telling myself to sort my shit out and diet but I still can't find the motivation. I could have a 6 pack in 6 weeks if I actually did it all properly.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … never ever in my life have I come across the words "troughing" and "swilling". I learn so much here.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I have plenty more. For example right now it's 37 degrees in Hull so I'm mafting.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I already was being balanced by accident. I wanted to do something like the carnivore diet but at no point did my diet achieve close to 50% meat let alone 100%. I see now that it just wasn't realistic in terms of cost and effort to only eat meat. I was still mostly eating plants and carbs, always reaching for those nuts/crackers/cereal for a quick bite. So it's better to just not stress about it. In fact one of my primary sources of anything meat related was canned tuna which I only ate over canned beans, meaning that most of it was beans. Even when I did eat proper land animal meat I found it usually came with downsides (e.g. doused in oil, overbearing charcoal taste, etc.) or was hard to digest. And I discovered the importance of fruit which is high in sugar but nevertheless healthy for all sorts of other reasons and essential for hydration. So at some point the whole idea of meat not containing sugar and carbs was kind of moot. As for beer, I was only drinking it for the alcohol. Most alcoholic drinks are carb free, so I'd rather drink those. If I simply want to put alcohol in my bloodstream it's smarter to get it from anything but beer. Beer simply happens to be the most accessible option. (Most stores carry beer and it doesn't require a wine opener.) P.s. I read something recently. The reason alcoholic drinks don't cure you if you're sick is bc your blood alcohol level would have to be 60% before it would kill the germs making you sick. Which would kill you. I was kind of embarrassed by reading that bc that was more or less my reasoning for starting beer in the first place, that it would "purify" my body. And on top of that your body considers alcohol an impurity and immediately starts working to get rid of it, hence why drunkness is only temporary.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … p.s. I bought a bottle of kefir sometime in June-ish. So I can never be truly vegan assuming I'm still being powered by gut flora from animal sources. Go go gut flora. p.p.s. I had three espressos in one night and I have to say that Nodley was right about coffee. I mean, I kinda noticed before, but this time I noticed with great urgency and ferocity.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I don't drink coffee after 2-3pm or I won't sleep until gone midnight. I hardly drink it at all these days actually, not even 1 every morning.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I know coffee slows my digestion and makes me pee a lot at the same time. I know it fucks with your brain chemistry too. People think they need coffee to feel awake but they are actually tired in the first place because of the coffee (and staying up late to watch trash shows on Netflix probably) People can just stop drinking it for a while and their brain will be normal again. I always thought coffee tasted gross but I like it much more now. I like the taste now. I don’t drink it much because it’s not special then anymore but I can imagine me becoming a coffee snob and having millions of coffee accessories only to drink one cup a week.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Heh, according to Dr. Gundry coffee is super healthy. He seems to suggest you should allow yourself to drink as much of it as your body can handle. Never heard of it being bad for your brain chemistry. When I had the three espressos that night, I actually felt pretty sharp. In fact, I began to think that my body likes caffeine, and that moving forward I should allow myself to consume it more liberally. The trouble comes when I decide I need to sleep.. =P
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … “Alcoholic drinks won't help you if you're sick” Oh wow. I’m glad you are gradually stopping some of your detox practices (and one of the most dangerous ones I know of till date). Luckily your body is very adept at doing “detoxes” itself.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … Sure there are parts of coffee that are healthy. Coffee has some great anti-oxidants that is true. But tea is vastly superior in that regard with much less caffeine or in the case of herbal tea no caffeine at all. The amount of caffeine in coffee and the stomach ache and the brain chemistry altering properties are enough to let me know it should be limited. It is not the devil but it is not something to drink a lot of. My brother drinks massive amounts of coffee and he can't function or sleep without it and even then he sleeps very badly. It is a drug in some regard and don't let wellness scammer internet doctors tell you otherwise. It can very quickly become an unhealthy addiction.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Drink coffee as part of a balanced diet - don't have too much of it. Add these rules to every single thing and you'll be fine.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … I like the moderate nodley's take more than the radical extremist diet fad subscriber takes.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … It is funny how Dr. Gundry is telling us it’s a-o-k to drink plenty of coffee and that anyone who experiences the adverse effects of caffeine is simply imagining things, but for the love of god don’t eat any chickpeas, or else you will die. o_O
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … The truth is that coffee is the only proof we have of God, and to reject the drink is to reject divinity.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Coffee is so good. I have some nobody else is allowed to touch with a hint of chocolate and cherry.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … I love me some chickpeas.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … "The truth is that coffee is the only proof we have of God, and to reject the drink is to reject divinity." I have to agree. Maybe I should drink coffee on Sunday then to honor that divinity.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … A hint of chocolate and cherry? Nod please tell me more.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … https://www.nescafe.com/gb/our-coffees/azera/nescafe-azera-grindsmith-craft-coffee/
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … "I’m glad you are gradually stopping some of your detox practices" Well there's still salt. But the last time I poured on the salt I felt stressed out. I googled it, and it says it makes your blood pressure rise. (supposedly, it doesn't affect your blood glucose levels, but I dunno about that.. either way though, I found it unpleasant.) So I may lay off the salt. I thought of a new one, though. Jalapeno! Tonight I ate three of them, plus some walnuts and a banana to offset the heat.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … :-O nooooooooooo Rock! Do not pour on the salt! That is defiantly not a health food. I know there are a lot of fad people telling everyone salt is somehow great for your body and that butter and lard should be eaten by the stick and be mixed in your coffee. But just stop to think and you will see its all bullcrap. Dangerous bullcrap too. Just eat a variety of normal unprocessed food (as found in nature) as much as possible and prepare it at home and you will be fine and you will be eating healthier than most people out there. Jalapeno is fine to eat I guess but just don't eat them obsessively. Don't eat anything obsessively I’d say. Are they tasty?
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I like jalapeños
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Especially on a spicy tomato bread
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … So there's this thing where protein rich foods have an DIAAS score depending on how many amino acids they contain. Meat fish eggs rank the highest with a score just over 100. Chickpeas are 70-80. Almonds are 43. Cereal and bread score the worst. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNF2_dCWkg Wondering if I should start buying kefir again. And some fish, damn. I totally haven't been eating any fish. I'll order some sashimi or a poke bowl. EDIT: or protein powder? I'm considering buying this: https://www.amazon.com/Premier-Protein-Powder-Chocolate-servings/dp/B06Y5ZG66K
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I googled some stuff about Vitamin D, here's what I learned. You can't get Vitamin D through a window bc the glass blocks the shit that makes your body produce Vitamin D. I'm also told that you can't get Vitamin D later in the day. It has to be from 10 am to 2, when the sun is at its apex. And lastly, you still can get Vitamin D when it's cloudy. (Apparently clouds succeed where glass windows fail..) I'm gonna go out on a limb though and say that later than 2 pm is still good during summer months and on particularly sunny days. I was out til about 4 and sun was still blasting. Lol, I was trying to track it's position in the sky. It hurt my eyes to look up even one degree. I dare you to tell me I wasn't getting Vitamin D.
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … Wow I forgot to take my Vitamin D pill today. Thanks.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Just eat a healthy balanced diet rukk. There are no miracle foods, no quick fixes, and no diet plans and secrets. Your body needs x, y and z, everything from starchy carbs to vitamins and amino acids. You either put it in or you don't.
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … If you are not a bodybuilder you do not need protein powder. I don't even get why bodybuilders take it. It's just a whole bunch of concentraded protein stripped from everything else. It's basically a highly processed food like sugar and flour. Rock I think you can calm down. :-P Just don't look into the sun directly or be a complete cave dweller. You'll be fine.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm making a curry with the leftover veg from our chicken dinner. Obviously I'm chucking some chicken breast in there too for protein. It's a right healthy meal - tomatoes, onions, garlic, carrots, cauliflower etc, and with some rice it's really balanced too. This is how to be healthy with food. All I need to do now is move a bit more.... I am still doing my stretches, and they are working, my hips are much better when I have to climb up on to a trailer.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I was at Whole Foods today and bought protein powder. I ended up getting a plant based one. I was kinda leaning toward animal based (though not really sure, bc animals).. but pretty much all the animal ones had vegetable oil and sugars, plus one chicken bone broth based powder that didn't list ingredients at all. (the hell?) I could maybe tolerate stevia, sucralose, or natural flavors, if I had to. But in the end I bought this plant based one that had an unsweetened option. Hell yeah. Shut up and take my money,
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Why don't you just eat chicken or fish and get the vitamins and healthy fats etc that come with it?
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Saved!Husky WingEditing … For the taste and texture. He despises that icky solid feel in his mouth, and the varied sensations of flavor. One thick unsweetened drink for my meal please thank you.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I'm trying to cover my bases. By the way, I've decided I will be returning the protein powder I bought bc it contains sunflower oil. "Vitamin E (from sunflower oil)" to be exact. Good thing I held on to the receipt! Normally I throw away receipts, but normally I don't buy a 47 dollar tub of miracle powder either, so I had an inkling I should hold on to the receipt just for a little while. =P
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Saved!KlemoibEditing … sounds like you'd be happy if there was a perfect form of astronaut paste or something like that. You could just eat one thing and you's be all set. Would be handy if that existed. Maybe you can make it yourself by blending everything together. One giant smoothie of everything.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … ok so if there is protein powder made from bone broth then why couldn't I just buy bone broth and drink it?? I am seriously considering that. I'll pick up some kefir as well.
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