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Saved!The first wireless controller was the Atari CX-42 for the #Atari 2600 and not Nintendo’s Wavebird controller for the #GameCube.
The first controller ever made that had an analog stick was not the N64 controller, it was the APVS (Advanced Programmable Video System) which came out in 1976.-
Saved!NodleyEditing … And the DS wasn't the first handheld with touchscreen and stylus. Add to that the constant milking of franchises and rehashes of games and Nintendo are the least innovative out of them all. -
Saved!Gries HeEditing … They invented the D-Pad, triggers and rumble though. -
Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm sure that's just Nintendo propaganda.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Wii wasn't the first with motion controls but that's missing the point. Immediately after the N64 came out all other systems started doing it. So it was not Nintendo who was the first but it was Nintendo who got the foot in the door. -
Saved!NodleyEditing … The best Nintendo propaganda of all time is how they saved the industry back in '83. As I remember it gaming was booming here in Europe, Commodore etc were selling by the 10's of millions.
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Saved!Gries HeEditing … The @Master Crash of 1983 only happened in North America, afaik. Thanks Obama err Atari. ##Shovelware
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Saved!Bob GutSmashaEditing … yeah it's all your fault
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Awwwwwwww :c
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … The fuck? Are you on some anti-console gaming drugs or something, gries? First off, if apple has taught anyone anything with the iphone back in 2007, it's that you could gain cred by coming up with an original idea, or (like apple did) be the one to popularize those ideas into the mainstream (pretty sure that the iphone wasn't the first touchscreen phone, but it changed the landscape of phones ever since). The same deal applies to the n64 and its analog stick (and, well, super mario 64 as well). It may not have been the first, but it's what popularized the use of analog sticks ever since, because super mario 64 was the ultimate tech demo for it, showing off the potential possibilities it was capable of. And as for the wavebird, who the fuck ever said it was the first? I'm pretty sure that even the atari 2600 had a crappy wireless controller, too, but that's besides the point. The point is that the wavebird, in my personal opinion, is probably the only third party controller I'm ever willing to consider just as memorable as its original controller counterpart. Even if it's only because its wireless capabilities weren't half bad. And as for you, nodley, you may not like nintendo or anything they've ever done, but just know that when nintendo pulled america out of the video game crash of 83, we've repaid them kindly ever since. In their early formative years of the nes/famicom, we (alongside japan, of course) were probably the 2 major players that gave them the support and money they needed to become the superpower they are today. A superpower that, if never existed, would have dramatically changed all of video gaming history as we know it, because like it or not, all of the fun games they've have made over the past few decades have gone on to influence a good portion of the gamers and developers we have today. People that, if they never got the chance to play a fun nintendo game, would have probably never gotten involved with the gaming industry in the first place. Sega would have never made sonic (their breakout hit) to compete with mario, nintendo would have never inadvertently created the playstation (dropping out of the deal), and microsoft probably wouldn't have been too interested in creating the original xbox if the console gaming market hadn't grown so big (primarily thanks to nintendo, sega, and sony) by the time the new millennium rolled around. -
Saved!NodleyEditing … Like I said above gaming was booming in Europe and things would have been fine. They probably would have been different but who's to say it wouldn't be better? A 32bit CD based console apart from the Playstation was already available when the Playstation launched - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32. Basically Nintendos influence is hugely overrated.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Oh, wasn't the sega CD out as early as 1991 too? Sucks that Nintendo stuck with carts all that time when the future was clear a lot earlier.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Nintendo was screwed there. They got in contact with Sony to make a CD based console and midways Sony was all like: "Y'know what? Actually, we gonna use this to make OUR own console! Suck it 'Tendo!" So... Nintendo invented the Playstation.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Haha yeah, Nintendo are responsible for the Playstation. That's the kinda propaganda I love to lol at.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … And you guys should know I used to adore Nintendo, the SNES is simply one of the greatest things ever invented. Since then they have done nothing to interest me, everybody else did better. It's good that the fanbase is finally growing sick of uncompetitive consoles and gimmicks though because it will eventually force Nintendo into another SNES - a leading console with the best games. That or go the way of Sega.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … It's true somewhat... indirectly, of course. Either way, I don't see the prob with the cartridges in N64, it still had a library of games that would be considered some of the best, even today, plus, it had more bits than Saturn and the PS (combined :v). Of course that isn't saying much, Jaguar was 128 bits and it was laughable, which I think it proves that it's not who does it first that matters, it's who actually manages to do it well first. If a peasant had made a random drawing of a guy screaming would "The Scream" painting lose all it's value? Nah, not really, since that probably happened. Innovation is a tricky thing.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … DS the best handheld ever. I am sorry, but it's the truth.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I disagree, the Vita is. You can play PS2 quality games on it. Imagine what Nintendos game designers could do with something so powerful.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … I think the 3DS can play games with the graphical qualities of the PS2 if that's what you're saying.
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … Look nodley, I'm sure that europe had their own nice little thing going and all (free from any crashes and such), but I'm just trying to say that it's damn well impossible to downplay nintendo's importance in gaming when they've been such a massive influence to it, and to the millions (billions?) of gamers in the process. Sure, they may not have made Every innovation that people have given them credit for, but it's hard to imagine how differently things would have played out if they've never existed in the first place or never made the same choices/decisions that got them to where they are now. I mean, even valve/steam's head honcho himself considers super mario 64 as his favourite non-valve game of all time. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/03/valves_gabe_newell_thinks_super_mario_64_is_just_swell The same guy who went on to make some damn great fps games and steam sales (arguably, the most influential person in pc gaming).
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Well, the Vita is even better than PS2 then, it's way more powerful than the 3DS.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … ALL HAIL GABEN THE GREAT! ALL HAIL GABEN THE GREAT! PC GAMING MASTER RACE! ALL HAIL GABEN THE GREAT!
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Oh, sorry... that's just a spasm I have once in a while from being a PC gamer.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Good for it. There's about a billion more games on the DS that I want to play than is on the Vita, and I think that's what's important in a video game console
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Saved!NodleyEditing … If Nintendo didn't exist he would have just had different gaming influences, and everything that eventually happened would have happened anyway. Are you aware of games such as Everyone's a Wally that were the first to introduce AI? Yes, a European team on a home computer in 1985 when Nintendo were busy saving the world with the NES. Also the Amiga was launched in 1985 and it couldn't be touched until Microsoft released Windows 95 a decade later. Look at the influence the Amiga had and the games from it, honestly gaming would have been fine without Nintendo.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … And the world would have been fine without Einstein because someone else would eventually stumble upon Einstein's theories.... But that's not really the point
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … DS cannot be the best handheld ever, because PSP is better.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … It's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that the PSP really can't even compete
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … not to mention the DS is poo
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Saved!NodleyEditing … And it's my opinion that Nintendos influence is massively overrated. Hell, the C64 alone sold 17 million units back the early 80s.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … I love that poo, let me roll in it and scatter it all over my body like I was a hedgehog. Ohhh yessssssss!
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … And Nintendo has so much money that they could lose 250 million a year and still last till 2052.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I guess that's their gameplan.
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Nah, people will always buy the Mario re-hashes at least. Look! It's the EVEN MORE NEW Super Mario Bros Wii U Z: Luigi's Revenge, the Second!
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Saved!NodleyEditing … And then they will give you EVEN MORE NEW Super Mario Bros Wii U Z: Luigi's Revenge, the Second HD 3D!. But it requires the new improved 3DS2/WiiU2 to play it with more power but exactly like the one you bought last year.
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … Would the same innovations have been reached if nintendo never existed? Yeah, most likely (sooner or later, anyways). BUT, the thing that you're forgetting about is that the same games and franchises that we enjoy today (as is) probably would have never existed either, or would have been altered in some way. I mean, making advances in gaming is one thing, but that doesn't mean that the same exact games we have today would have been created as a result. And I'm not so sure about you, but I for one can't live in a world without games created by nintendo, or those influenced (in some way) by them. Stuff like mario, zelda, sonic, metal gear solid, half-life, etc. (And mind you, I'm not saying that this supposed different reality would have been any better or worse. I'm just saying that I like the way things are now.)
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … but PS4/Xbone is exactly like their predecessors, at least WiiU is offering something different. Consoles are becoming redundant. Knack could've been done on a PS2 probably, and Gran Turismo games still have 2D crowds despite the so-called new and better hardware.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … You only like things the way they are now because that's the only reality you know.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … it is also why nodley likes museums. Museums exist, and therefore a reality without museums is inconceivable to him
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Saved!NodleyEditing … It's not museums I like Rukkshard, it's history. History would still be there without the museums, just harder to study. It's not consoles I like either, it's games. Consoles just give the developers the chance to express their ideas, the more powerful and capable the console the better.
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Saved!Bob GutSmashaEditing … Gries and nodley upset everyone
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Saved!NodleyEditing … The truth hurts Bob, the truth hurts......
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Saved!Bob GutSmashaEditing … in the butt! HAHAHAH AHHAHAHAAH AHAHAH!
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … I kinda just left nodley to his own opinions. He may not value consoles as much as I do, but that's only because I don't expect him to see how much more difficult it is to create a successful console than it is to create a successful video game. I mean, there are some things we take for granted (like the snes and such), and then there are things that seemingly only 3 companies can even pull off well in this day and age (as the failed ouya, the closest thing to a fourth competing console, recently found out).
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Saved!NodleyEditing … The ouya is just a big phone/tablet that you can't carry around and plays mostly casual games and ports. It's less powerful than the latest phones too. I can already connect my phone to my 46" TV and a bluetooth controller. Anybody who really thought it could compete with actual real consoles needs to see a doctor. It's not particularly difficult to make a console at all, from what I understand they are just glorified PCs nowadays. The PS4 and Xbone have an AMD processor and a Radeon Graphics card. All the consoles use PC style memory too. You can even swap out the parts such as disk drives, HDD's etc. Games are the reason anybody buys a console, no good games no sales.
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Saved!Bob GutSmashaEditing … Yeah it's the games that matter. The draw of consoles is A) Affordability B) Lifespan C) Parity among the userbase. For those reasons alone I reckon it's worth cherishing consoles but the industry would work regardless, especially with the lounge PCs everyone seems to be getting excited about.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Game devs working for Nintendo must have been crying themselves to sleep these last few years. They only just got to make games in HD! That was so last gen.
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … The ouya (for what it's worth) was kinda of a trendsetter that made "microconsoles" (a type of console) a thing. It tried to implement the whole "customizable hardware / develop your own games" atmosphere into the living room, and it seemed poised to challenge the big 3 (as shown by its massive kickstarter support), but then ultimately lost momentum and fizzled out in the long run (with most people realizing that android games are just better suited to phones). So to say that it was the closest thing to a "fourth console" in recent memory is not much of a stretch. And as for whenever people say that consoles are just glorified pcs and that Anyone can make a successful console if they felt like it, it kinda pisses me off tbh. Not because consoles aren't computers like pcs (they very much are), but because to simply view consoles as "just" regular pcs and "ignore" that they're consoles is, well, to miss the entire point imo. They're not really made as pcs (desktop, k&m, etc.) that would compete with other pcs (in which simply having better specs is considered king), they're just made to be one of the (if not The) best consoles of their generation. And to do that (especially these days), a console manufacturer is gonna need to have a hell of a lot of resources and support/fans (which nintendo, sony, and microsoft all have) just to stay afloat throughout a "single" generation (roughly about 5-7 years). But (and here's the catch), if they do manage to succeed and make a great system worth developing for, one that also has some awesome games to boot (especially exclusives and 1st/2nd party games), they'll not only get handsomely rewarded for all of their efforts, but you best believe that you won't stop hearing about that console, say, 18 years from now. And do you know why? Because creating a successful console is a damn difficult thing to do, and video gaming history is not about to forget the best an era had to offer. (which is why we're even talking about the 18 year old n64 in the first place, or why you even brought up the 24 year old snes at all, nod)
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Saved!NodleyEditing … If you read through the status you will see more than just Nintendo being brought up. The Sega CD has even been mentioned and nobody is going to call that a success and best the era had to offer, same with the Amiga CD32. Why are we talking about these if only the best are still talked about?
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Saved!MasterCrashEditing … Because the Sega CD is a add-on made by a famous company. Same reason you talk about how bad Duke Nukem Forever is, but you don't talk about how bad "Snow White and the Seven Clever Boys" is
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Saved!WhiteSnakeEditing … The sega cd add on (despite its flaws and loads of fmv games) managed to produce a few gems worth talking about, like sonic cd (arguably the best 2d sonic game ever made) and the lunar series (very underrated rpgs imo). As for the amiga cd32, I haven't actually looked much into it tbh. I personally just keep track of the systems with games/libraries that might be worth checking out. Or, to be a bit more precise, systems that I have seen a few times on some "best games of all time" lists here and there (like this old one by egm for example: http://www.chud.com/community/t/86511/egms-top-200-games-of-their-time ). They're not really factual lists, I know, but I use lists such as those as a point of reference to see which consoles/platforms might be worth owning, should their best games really be, well, the "best of all time" (imo, anyways). But anyhow, I will admit that apart from remembering the best systems of any given era, video gaming history will also tend to remember the consoles that fell a bit short from greatness, but in different lights. Like the most successful ones (snes, ps2, etc) will likely be the most praised/nostalgic, the more flawed or underrated ones (neo geo, saturn, etc) will likely have mixed reception, the more obscure ones (amiga cd32, etc) will not be on a lot of radars, and the downright terrible ones (virtual boy, etc) will be hated to hell and back. (Also, side note to everyone here: I just gotta squeeze in a quick sorry to everyone that has posted in this thread. I'm sure a lot of you are sick and tired of my ramblings by now (notifications and whatnot), and I promise to you all that I'll stop posting here..... eventually. :noel: Sorry.)
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Well, you see, I remember them all and play them all regurlarly. Everything right down to the Acorn Electron. I have every game ever made for all systems up to 5th gen and a decent percentage of games that came since. I have also owned everything Nintendo but the Wii U and 3DS. I feel like I am in a position to make a fair judgment, you know, after experiencing everything gaming could offer and not just being restricted to one brand.
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