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    This movie is like a car crash on the side of the highway that you can't help but stare at. I humorously recommend this movie to friends as an example of how to thoroughly, and undoubtedly, stop a franchise dead in its tracks - If you thought T3, and Salvation, were doing their darnedest to kill the franchise, you haven't seen anything yet.

    I have not a clue what they were thinking by concocting a double time travel rigamarole that basically erases every meaningful thing that happened in the first two movies (you know, the two movies that gave anyone a reason to care about Terminator in the first place). The casting was also largely a head scratcher. It is just way too difficult to watch James Cameron's version of the leads in the first two movies only to watch them get replaced so putridly in Genisys.

    For real, what a bizarre way to try to reboot the series. It actually does feel like an early 90s straight to video sci-fi experiment, but with a substantially larger budget attached to it. I can imagine the train of thought going around in the studio when they were dreaming up this turd: How do we make a Terminator movie with a 70 year-old Arnold that would kinda sorta make sense? To think that this was supposed to be the first entry in a trilogy. I don't think I'm fanboy enough to have cared about what was supposed to happen in the two movies we aren't going to get.
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      Editing … To be fair, with the way Terminator's timelines work, there is no "erasing" anything. Terminator's time travel works so that people from two different futures can go back in time to the same past, before their timelines were split. But gee, poor Terminator-- is that three failed trilogies?
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      Editing … Perhaps I misunderstood the movie? When terminators are are sent back to kill/protect Sarah Connor when she's a kid, it changes everything going forward - Kyle Reese survives, and Sarah Connor is a completely different person at the same moment in time than she was in the first movie, which inadvertently puts John Connor's existence in limbo. The events of the first 2 movies don't really exist anymore, because they were altered by more time travel shenanigans. Miles Dyson lives (longer), but now it's his son that unknowingly takes credit for what eventually becomes Judgement Day.
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      Editing … Kyle Reese and John Connor still evidently exist in the future "victory" against the machines, but the circumstances that got them there are now different (or at least they should be). John Connor (as he exists in Genisys) is now corrupted by Skynet, which is confusing, because the circumstances that created his existence has been altered enough to not guarantee his existence - Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese can simply opt not to conceive him given the newfound information that he'd eventually become corrupted by Skynet, and that the war wasn't actually won, and continues anyway.
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      Editing … Perhaps, the other two movies would have gone in the direction of completely changing the outcome of "how the war was won" - and I definitely think that Genisys was attempting to take the series in that direction - but I think it's hard to now view the events of the first two movies as meaningfully if those events were only meant to inspire another backdoor time travel attempt to stop them from happening...which DOES dramatically alter what happens in the T1/T2 timeframe, but miraculously doesn't seem to carry over to the future, as it seems to play out the same way with the same characters reaching the same destinations as previously. Thinking about it now, John Connor doesn't even exist in the T2 timeframe any longer.
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      Editing … Hehe...Maybe I'm a little interested in how they eventually planned to make sense out of Genisys, but I have strong doubts that it would have been satisfying.
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      Editing … When something changes, it doesn't change previously existent timelines--it creates a new one. Think of it as an ongoing line that keeps branching out whenever someone goes backwards. Nothing ever ceases existing, no futures get erased. If I'm reading you right, you're applying more of a logic that there is only one future at a time; but Mr. Splatterhoure, the future is not set.
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      Editing … In The Sarah Connor Chronicles, there actually is a case of two characters coming back to the same past, despite coming from different futures. That's because they'd come back to points from before their timelines split. I'd worked out how Terminator time travel worked before the series, though (as just given the first movie alone, it was the only logical scheme that wouldn't result in any paradoxes)
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      Editing … All these alternative timelines are only a mindfuck, why is it so diffycult to make a good (mean really good not average) action film? A case i miss the 80s and early 90s!
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      Editing … Fury Road bby
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      Editing … No, not fully convinced by it. Action were stunning indeed but missed out the plot, went nowhere to me.
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      Editing … Okay okay, listen, I got you an action film--no, THREE action films, but you gotta understand, once you see one of them, western action--western hand-to-hand combat in film--it'll never be the same. Captain America slams a soldier with his feet? Just won't be the same. Choreography's broken, my friend. America? Hollywood? The United States? The UK Kingdom? They've taken too many shortcuts, my friend, and hand-to-hand action choreography is broken for it. Look to the sunrise if you would seek the solution, my friend. The cure: Ip Man.
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      Editing … ?!? It is sunny outside...
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      Editing … Husky, that doesn't make any sense to me. The original premise is that Skynet wants to eliminate (or erase) John Connor from ever having an opportunity to lead the resistance, and win the war. An original version of John Connor ends up winning that war, and then T1 alters the outcome by making Kyle Reese his father, making Sarah Connor aware of an impending war, and putting Miles Dyson in a position to be the man most responsible for the war. T2 alters it further by killing off Miles Dyson, and the heroes destroying Dyson's work, as well as any AI tech that came from the future. If T3 is to be followed, the Judgement Day happens anyway, it just happens later than it was originally supposed to happen (because of the events of T2). Evidently, John Connor is still the leader of the resistance in the future, and Skynet still wants to eliminate him because of it. It's not perfect, but it isn't difficult to follow either. By the end of T3, it seems like Judgement Day was always going to happen, but the events of the first two movies altered when it actually happened, and it altered the people responsible for it. It still makes sense that John Connor would be Skynet enemy #1, because he survives, but now he has more knowledge about the future than any other person on the planet - The original unaltered John Connor supposedly gets to the same destination, but by completely different means.
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      Editing … In the first 3 movies - 4, actually, if you want to include Salvation - the conditions of what happens at the end of the war still seem plausible, but what happens in those movies does seem to alter when they happen, and why they happen. It seems like the only way to have prevented the war was to basically eliminate anyone that had any ambitions of creating a Skynet-Like infrastructure. For 4 movies, Skynet's logic is: eliminate John Connor, and we (probably) win the war.
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      Editing … The scenario that Genisys creates is that Skynet sends (yet another) Terminator back even further in time to kill his mom when she's a kid (because they couldn't manage to eliminate JC in a later timeline). This I can follow as it still makes sense, but it is going to alter things further as Sarah Connor is going to bump into the events of T1 with greater knowledge. That knowledge saves Kyle Reese's life, but also throws JC's conception further into the future. Now, if there was an original John Connor that wins the war in the future, it's become apparent that Kyle Reese doesn't necessarily have to be his father, but he does have to be born, doesn't he? What complicates things is that Sarah Connor jumps even further into the future (2017) without a bun in the oven, and bumps into THE John Connor from the future in the new 2017 timeline...but he's been corrupted by Skynet, and is intent on making the future happen...which means he has to stop Sarah Connor's plan of stopping the Genisys launch, but he can't kill her, because he hasn't been born yet, and if he hasn't been born yet, his adult self couldn't exist to win the war, get corrupted by Skynet, and get sent back to 2017 to stop Sarah.
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      Editing … What I'm getting at is that the time travel rules that the first 3 movies play by are different than what Genisys was doing. In the first 3 movies, the objective is "kill JC". Genisys doesn't even seem to care if he's even born. If Sarah Connor never gives birth to JC - which is what Skynet was trying to do in T1 - then you'd think that Skynet wins the war whether Sarah lives or dies. The first 3 movies give off the feeling that killing Sarah or John in the past will dramatically alter the future in Skynet's favor. Genisys throws Sarah 34 years into the future without any sense of consequence to the future.
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      Editing … However, in a single linear (but alterable) timeline, would Skynet know suddenly "wow THE PAST JUST CHANGED but the future is still right here, except now we know that someone else is responsible for Judgment Day. Also, wow, has it not been the apocalypse for as long as I remember?" As for corrupted JC wanted to still get born, that could be excused as him not wanting the altered future to change very drastically. Skynet knew of a victory state, and wants to keep a victory state.
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      Editing … Well, they must be aware that the past just changed, and that knowledge is probably instantaneous. How else would Skynet have known to send Evil John Connor to 2017? Skynet must have been aware that the other 4 terminators that they sent back thru the time machine failed at killing their target before it would make sense for them to send John Connor to a 2017 that wouldn't have existed if any of the 4 terminators succeeded.
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      Editing … Thinking about it now, that would make for a pretty funny Robot Chicken sketch.
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      Editing … So the people in the future both know about the future that used to be, and the future that took effect after someone went back in time? But then those changes would occur, relative to them, the very instant they send someone back. When Skynet sent back John Connor though, weren't they doing that to prevent change, and not because something had already changed? I don't want to rewatch Genisys.
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      Editing … I mean, it's already been confirmed that Terminator functions with the split timelines. When a change is made, that creates a new divergence. The Skynet that sent back a T-800 to kill Sarah Connor wasn't from the same future as the Skynet that was developed off of Terminator hardware.
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