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    He showed his class again yesterday when he apologised for the Iraq war but refused to personally attack Tony Blair. David Cameron would have been throwing insults all over. This man needs to stay leader of the Labour party, and I'll be voting for him.
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      Editing … I know last time we talked about this I talked about how he was an IRA apologist, has defended a Hamas fundraiser and convicted anti-semite from deportation and betrayed his supposed principles by campaigning for remain after campaigning against the EU for decades. I don't understand how this isn't enough to put you off the guy but let's put that aside. Corbyn can't even lead his own MPs, they've overwhelmingly voted to say they have no confidence in him. He led Labour to the worst local election defeats for an opposition party in decades and a third place finish behind the Conservatives in Scotland (again, this hasn't happened since the 1950s). Polls show the public is even less impressed by him than they were by Ed Miliband and can't imagine him as Prime Minister. He can't control his own party and he can't win elections. Keeping him as Labour leader means deciding to lose the 2020 election and handing the Tory party a blank cheque to govern the country until 2025. The sooner he's gone the better.
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      Editing … His MPs just see an opportunity to raise themselves, greedy selfish people that they are. Corbyn is honest and genuine, just because he's not aggressive and forceful doesn't mean his ideas aren't sound.
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      Editing … He's not that honest though, the guy was a major critic of the EU for decades but then he campaigned for remain spouting lines he clearly didn't believe because his party pushed him into it. Those aren't the actions of someone who sticks by their principles no matter what. His history of close ties to the IRA, connections to Hamas and remaining chairman of the far left 'Stop the War' campaign even after it argued Iraqi insurgents (i.e. Al Qaeda, Ba'athist Saddam supporters) were justified in using any and all means (I.E.D's? Suicide bombing?) to kill British troops and then going on to claim he's been a lifelong pacifist doesn't exactly point towards someone who's honest and genuine either. His MPs want rid of him partly because 9 out of 10 of them never wanted him as leader and disagree with him on a lot of issues and partly because after giving him a year as leader they can see he's going to lose the next election spectacularly and they want to make a serious attempt to get into government rather than just being an unelectable protest party.
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      Editing … My wife is half Irish and Ireland belongs to the Irish, I sympathise with the IRA too. We illegally invaded Iraq so any action against British troops is justified, they are comparable to the French resistance really. This is the problem with modern politics, always mud slinging, it's more about putting your rival down than what is best for the country.
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      Editing … Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland and they should get to decide whether they want to be part of the UK (which every poll shows the majority of them do) or merge with the republic. Wanting Northern Ireland to leave the UK and join the republic is a totally respectable opinion, it's Corbyn's willingness to stand with the IRA when they were trying to achieve that through terrorism and murder that I have an issue with. Corbyn didn't tell the IRA to stop killing and resolve things through peaceful campaigning and respecting the democratic choices of the people of Northern Ireland, he wanted them to win through violence and opposed the peace process.
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      Editing … Al Qaeda aren't remotely comparable to the French resistance Nod. It doesn't matter whether you support the Iraq War or not (I don't either), they were killing British troops and Iraqi civilians alike using suicide bombings and indiscriminate I.E.D's all to try and make Iraq into an incredibly barbaric country similar to pre-2001 Taliban controlled Afghanistan or the territory ISIS has control of today. Iraq was a mistake because we didn't have a realistic plan to stabilise Iraq and build something new once Saddam was gone. That doesn't mean Saddam, Ba'athists and especially the Al Qaeda insurgency British troops ended up fighting weren't despicable.
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      Editing … The French resistance killed civilians too who cooperated with the Germans.
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      Editing … The French resistance mostly fought through sabotage and intelligence gathering until after D-Day. There were assassinations and attacks on occupying soldiers and some of them undoubtedly crossed the line and carried out war crimes but let's get this straight they never fought using suicide bombings and car bombings in areas crowded with civilians, they never littered the countryside with improvised trip mines that kill innocents just as often as the enemy and they were fighting for a cause a hell of a lot more noble than restoring a dictatorship or imposing a medieval version of Islam. I have no idea how a prospective Prime Minister can justify having led an organisation which gave statements saying that any measures those Iraqi insurgents resorted to were justified at a time when they were carrying out suicide bombings, car bombings and planting IEDs to kill British troops and masses of innocent Iraqi civilians alike.
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      Editing … Iraq is a totally different culture and you seem to forget that, not everybody is exactly like western civilisations. They did what they could how they knew best. They didn't have the same chance of intelligence gathering and help the French resistance got. They were basically using AK47s against tanks and stealth bombers dropping smart bombs costing millions each, and spy satellites, I have nothing but respect for those man enough to fight for their country under those conditions.
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