Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy (ファイナルファンタジー, Fainaru Fantajī) is a science fiction and fantasy media franchise created by Hironobu Sakaguchi, and developed and owned by Square Enix (formerly Square). The franchise centers on a series of fantasy and science fantasy role-playing video games (RPGs). The eponymous first game in the series, published in 1987, was conceived by Sakaguchi as his last-ditch effort in the game industry; the title was a success and spawned sequels. The video game series has since branched into other genres such as tactical role-playing, action role-playing, massively multiplayer online role-playing, racing, third-person shooter, fighting, rhythm and anime.
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Saved!I tried to like Final Fantasy XVI, I really did. I played it for 42 hours (why I persevered I'll never know). This is another Final Fantasy that deals with "politics", which in this series is code for "the plot takes place in some far off region of the world and your character has basically no involvement in it". What this amounts to is 20+ hours of middling about achieving nothing of value before the actual game begins. The combat, while bright and sparkly, ultimately amounts to juggling cooldown timers while you wail on an unresponsive enemy. The stagger system isn't implemented very well, and only exists to give you free hits on the very spongy enemies. By contrast, the Final Fantasy VII remake series (which came out at a similar time) provides all sorts of benefits including giving access to summons, and increasing limit gauges, as well as having different requirements to initiate staggering. This essentially means staggering functions as a reward for solving the "puzzle" of each enemy, whereas in Final Fantasy XVI, it is just a bar to be filled before you can actually harm your foe. Once the game actually begins (after two time-skips and myriad hours of aimlessly travelling through a drab, uninteresting Game of Thrones set) there is actually a lot to like. The combat options finally start to offer some variety and you can explore (very simple) combos. There are monsters to hunt and hideouts to improve. And Clive finally stops pissing about long enough to actually find a goal to pursue, which unsurprisingly starts to bring out some sort of character arc. It is at that point that the game starts to feel like a Final Fantasy game. Traditional elements of the series start to show their face, and the characters and boss battles start to shine. One thing I cannot fault is the support cast, which are always a delight to interact with. The same cannot be said for the main "party" (if you can even call it that). I spent 40 hours in this game and I consistently forgot the name of the main heroine. With no plot to engage with, and being entirely AI-controlled, he character was left to stagnate, making her just another NPC. Perhaps I will give it another shot one day, but for now, this is one Final Fantasy that is far too generic and uninteresting for my tastes.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I tried 15 and lasted about 3 hours before I quit forever. The old FF is well and truly gone but we keep buying in the hope of something great.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I'm glad of that fact though because if I'd given up entirely, I'd have missed out on Rebirth, which has really restored my faith in the series.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I'm looking forward to that one when it hit's Steam. Or more likely pirated game sites lol. But I will buy it on Steam when it's less than £70. I would play FFXIV again, I was kinda enjoying it but I ain't paying a subscrition, it's just not that good. I'd rather pay a one off £40 for the game and own the game.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I've never gelled with MMO's, but I do remember enjoying the trial for XIV.
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Saved!I'm sure that this might surprise nobody, but Final Fantasy 16 sounds like trash. But did we really expect anything less from this franchise? I mean, aside from FF14, I'm sick of this series.
https://youtu.be/PzfUardkloY-
Saved!NodleyEditing … It's been trash for decades now. 13 is literally the worst game ever, even worse than OoT. XII was the last great FF.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … Seriously, everyone at Square-Enix forgot what Final Fantasy is. At least FF7 Remake actually brought back the look of the franchise, but...guh. That's all I have to say about their s***. Guh. https://youtu.be/vC-bBBjYCuQ
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Saved!Well, looks like Final Fantasy 16 will come out next summer. It's...Game of Thrones. No use hiding it. The trailer is freaking Japan's take on Game of Thrones. Except that they can transform into summon monsters?
I can tell that the Kingdom Hearts crew is working on it, though. The whole battle interface looks more like a Kingdom Hearts setup. Either way, I feel like I'm getting too old for this. Now two of the characters are in bed together and like, this isn't the Final Fantasy that I grew up with? I mean, it looks cool. But yeah.
https://youtu.be/NtpBEfrtE1s-
Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … Wait, if they're trying to copy Game of Thrones, will we get to see big boobas? I just want to know. I mean, I'm all for it...
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … will it be a sad beatemup? SE is just sad beatemups now. RIP turn based.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I mean, they did make Triangle Strategy...God...stupid effing name. Lol.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … 57 percent sounds about right. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8999-20-years-later-have-you-ever-played-final-fantasy-xi
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … Final Fantasy 14 was actually a nice throwback to the old Final Fantasy style, but only after it got effing rebooted. Lol. If that actually failed, the company would be dead...
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I heard about that. Kudos to them for actually pulling it off, bc it can be hard to persuade the fanbase once they've made up their minds. (They couldn't save the 2014 Ninja Turtles movie, for instance) I am mildly curious to try the online FFs. The only reason I hadn't is because they are online.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I had my doubts, but it finally sold me on the whole MMORPG concept. And I guess it's one of the easier ones to pick up and play, because most of the playthrough is free? I think there is a level cap? Level 90? The value of the pricing plan is ridiculously cheap, all things considered.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I still hate MMO registration, though. The process is still cumbersome as all hell. Final Fantasy 14 made the process easier, but even that took me one or two hours to update my s**t. Sigh...At the very least, it's easier than f***ing Ragnarok Online...
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Saved!I only care about killing chaos. And blasting tunes by Linkin Park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZavtHhk508-
Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … The Balan comparison is appropriate, I actually was thinking the demo is Balan levels of bad. And they're both by the same publisher! Good on SE for warning us about their shitty games.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … Jack is so edgy. I mean...that's his entire personality. Lol. He's all like, "URRGH." And "I don't give a f--- who you are!" And "All I care about is seeing Chaos dead. Does that answer your question?"
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … When he headbutts a thing to make it explode it is a bit over the top. Still, I think he is kind of cool AND it is a refreshing change for a Final Fantasy protagonist. His VA is good. The char was executed pretty well. BUT. That's mainly referring to his starting clothes. When he changes jobs/costumes it is kind of goofy not to mention out of character. He should *never* be a mage. =P Also, pretty early on in the demo I had him wearing a bandana and tights simply because those offered the best stats. He looked so friggin dumb in them. Like a makeshift Solid Snake cosplay.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I still have no idea whether the Final Fantasy community ever accepted this game, but the memes were too funny, man. Chaos.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … There reception here is disturbingly positive: https://www.backloggd.com/games/stranger-of-paradise-final-fantasy-origin 3.9 out of 5. What the hell. I began feel like it was just me once again. So thanks for linking to the dunkey vid. It let me know I am in the right. =P
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I was like, DAMN, THOSE FAKE REVIEWERS SURE LOVE JANKY S**T. Lol. I mean, considering how big companies have been hiring SEO people to screw up user score averages, nothing surprises me.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … oh? I figured it was just fanboys being fanboys. But I'm still willing to believe that SE pays to fake user reviews. Hell, it's probably something they would do regardless.
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Saved!SandvichEditing … The PS4 and Xbone launched almost 7 fackin' years ago. Feels like they just got here.
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Saved!WoodrowShigeruEditing … Weirdly enough, 20 years is a really long time – if you're younger than 30, and it's a surprisingly short time if you're older.
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Saved!I looked up more information on FF16. Turns out the director is the graphic designer for the Romancing Saga series, Hiroshi Takai. He last worked on FF14: A Realm Reborn, so maybe this'll turn out better?
Or at the very least, it'll turn into the RPG version of The Bouncer. Lol.-
Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I have literally no interest on this one whatsoever. I was holding out hopes for my boy Hiroyuki Ito getting the Director's chair, but Square Enix continues to do him wrong.
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Saved!Final Fantasy games after 12:
Needs mor crystals-
Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … I have 12 on Switch it's just a repetitive dungeon crawler. But oddly hypnotic. But I keep getting stuck trying to find the next mission, ended up deleting it... buut I kinda want to redownload it and give it another chance even though the game is obviously kind of bad.
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … Too late, I played 13 and Lightning Returns. 13 is bad, Lightning is super really bad. I see SE as a zombie company now, strongarming journalists into propping up their crap games so that fans will take their franchises seriously for a little while longer.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I kinda want to see how bad Lightning Returns gets. But then I'd have to actually buy the game...
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … 15 had food porn, so it's still one of my faves. Does 16 have good food? Not yet. That means that it'll suck.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … The ULTIMATE FLAVOR EXPERIENCE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ON_gV71Lk
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Saved!rockshard PhDEditing … just read the phrases "limited time mechanic" "stamina meter during combat" and "stilted NPC dialogue" and you can pretty much imagine what LR is like without having to buy it.
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Saved!Final Fantasy still exists. I guess. But I dunno, I've been waiting for the final one for a long time...
https://youtu.be/2tBnBAkHv9M-
Saved!NodleyEditing … I was just gonna post the same thing. It looks shit to me, it's still following the same direction of 13 onwards. We don't want that though. Maybe this really will be the Final Fantasy.
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … I'd assumed that they'd given up on the Fabulla Novella Crystallis b***s**t, but of course not. We're still continuing the crystal...anthology? Will it ever end? 9_9
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … Square-Enix is trapped in a crystal...The Crystal Method. https://youtu.be/0hJZR_hinI0?t=20
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Saved!DJ_JJSliderEditing … But will you pay it in crystals?!? I mean, it's not as if they accept anything else. Lol.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … I will pay Squaresoft in diamonds never mind crystals. Squeenix can kiss my butt
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Saved!I should complete more of these
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Saved!SaiyanMonkeyEditing … Same, only finished X and Crystal Chronicles.. Weren't a fan on XIII. May get VII and XI once i get my Switch but there both games you need to invest alot of time into.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … I'm glad these games are available on so many platforms now. I don't actually have too many of the main titles left to complete actually. Only IV, V, VI of the old titles. Although everything from XII onwards remains uncompleted.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … That's okay, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. And who knows, you might not even like them.
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Saved!SaiyanMonkeyEditing … I've been doing that with Steam lately, i'll grab a load of old games in one of there sales then not touch them and switch my attention back to my PS4 :L
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Saved!NodleyEditing … Try beating the older games though. You need a LOT of time to grind or be a whole lot better gamer than nodley over here. They're not easy. I remember beating 6, I definitely did that one. Possibly 5 too but I'm not sure. I don't think I've beaten 1-4 or ever will.
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Saved!So after writing my big post I decided to take a closer look at the credits for the Final Fantasy games over the years to pinpoint just who the talents and the people who ruined it actually are, and it turns out the Wikipedia credits aren't to be trusted and I've actually been wrong about a lot of things all these years, and I think now I have a good idea of who the key names to look out for actually are for better or for worse. If you share any of my opinions about Final Fantasy you'll probably want to take note of this. If any of these people are directors, or involved in scenario or events, it's a good or bad sign, and this is of course my own personal opinion, but one name in particular could spell hope for the future of Final Fantasy:
SpoilerThe Goods:
Hironobu Sakaguchi - Original creator, his FF games started off simplistic, but after he started working with Kitase and Ito he upped his story game, no longer works with Square, now director of Mistwalker, but they've stopped making classic JRPGs.
Yoshinori Kitase - Directed FF6, FF7 and FF8, co-writer for FF5 (IMO the first really good one) and writer and event director for FF6. Was promoted to producer so now probably has little creative input. If he's ever listed as a director and writer, though is unlikely since producer is a higher position, this would be a VERY GOOD sign.
Hiroki Chiba - Event planner for FF7, 8, 9 and 10, and co-writer for FF8. I think this is /myguy/. Event & scenario director for Dirge of Cerberus. Lead writer of Type-0, which I've barely played, need to give another try knowing this. Game director for World of Final Fantasy, whose story people are praising, I haven't played. People seem hopeful he might direct a future numbered Final Fantasy game since he did so for WoFF. With what he did for 7-9, this could be a second wind for Final Fantasy if it happens?
Hiroyuki Ito - Directed FF6 and FF9 and designed gameplay for all pre-10 games. IS also named as director and designer of FF12, but ya boy Silent Gamer confirms he was a late addition, replacing the prior director/designer Matsuno for health reasons. So he probably wasn't responsible for the state of FF12.
The Bads:
Yasumi Matsuno - Original director and also writer of FF12. Also directed, wrote and designed the battle system for Vagrant Story, which explains why I don't like that game. Also directed and wrote Tactics, I haven't played that. Basically, he seemed to make sure his games didn't have traditional combat.
Mamoru Toriyama - Director of FFX-2 and FF13, but was also event planner for FF7 and event director & co-scenario writer of FF10. 7's quality may have had more to do with Chiba and Kitase? And 10 also had Chiba working for him.
Daisuke Watanabe - Lead scenario writer for the FF13 trilogy, scenario writer for FFX-2, FF12 and Dissidia. Was a scenario planner for FF10, though.
Tetsuya Nomura - Directed Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts with its awful FF character representations. Directing the FF7 Remake.
Kazushige Nojima - Co-writer for FFX-2, concept writer for FF13, and sole writer for Advent Children and for KH1 and 2 with its awful FF character representations. Did also co-write 7, 8 and 9, but seems plausible we can choc their quality to his co-writers.
*Possible* that his influence over the state of these games was small though, as he could have been told to write what he wrote. Writing for the FF7 Remake.
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Saved!Silent GamerEditing … Hiroyuki Ito only took over development of XII. He was brought on board to finish it after the original director had health issues
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Saved!HelendlocEditing … Oh really? Fair enough then. That's good to know. Thanks bruh. I'll stick that in there.
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Saved!MrZAPEditing … As someone who has only ever played two Square games (DQ8 and KH1) I only know one of these names and will assume that they're all fine.
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Saved!MrZAPEditing … I've been around. I haven't been posting as much at the moment and I usually only comment on posts when I actually have something to say so it just means I haven't been talking as much. But I'm here every day.
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Saved!NodleyEditing … DQ8 is pretty fucking mega. It's in the same league as FF 6-9. Oh how I wish they still made that type of RPG (
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Alternative Names
Fainaru Fantajī | J | |
Final Fantasy | E | |
فاينل فانتسي | A | |
ファイナルファンタジー | J | |
最終幻想系列 | C | |
파이널 판타지 | K | |
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