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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … Well, nobody's perfect! If Otaku did not buy expensive anime merch the industry would collapse. If I recall correctly for most shows the actual anime is not what brings in the money / it's treated as big neon sign that says "Buy our Manga / LN / Merch" as the profit margin there is much higher. It's also a bit of a hyperbolic statement, some of the most talented people in history were secluded geniuses who were disillusioned with society. If you don't care about anything else it gives you lots of time to focus on your work. -
Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … I don't think you're seeing what he's specifically referring to when he talks about "otaku." I'll quote the really good commentary on this screencap that I reblogged: "And something you people really, really, REALLY need to understand is that "otaku" is not a term of endearment in Japan the way “nerd” has become so in the West.... In Japan, they are the antithesis of a praiseworthy member of society.When the anime industry is, in Miyazaki’s mind, full of these kinds of people, who seal themselves off in insular groups and jack off to 2D waifus all day in between drawing said 2D waifus, that is a real problem.... Frankly, when I look at the entire catalogue of anime titles released over the past 5 years, I see what he means." (More in the comments to follow for the sake of readability) -
Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "Real-life people do not act like the people in those shows.Real people do not say to their friends/rivals in love “hey, let’s take a shower together while I fondle your tits.” Real sisters do not fall in love with their oniichan desu~s after many sessions of counseling. I love the tsundere archetype, but a real-life tsundere is someone that nobody wants to be around because they treat other people like shit. I probably should devote an entire paragraph to lolis. (Most) people do not sexualize little girls, and in fact find the sexualization of of little girls to be repulsive. Why, then, are there so many lolis in anime? Because lolis represent a lot of things that a lot of men find desirable in women - innocence, petite bodies, cuteness in general. But for whatever reason, it has become not only okay, but the norm for anime to have prepubescent girls in compromising sexual positions. If you like flat chests - fine. If you like inexperienced girls - fine. If you like cute things - fine. Mashing all of those things together on a 12-year-old and slapping a bikini on her to appeal to otaku with those preferences? Most people will say that is fucked up. "
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "Fanservice is off-putting to a lot of people. Incest is off-putting to a lot of people. Lolis are off-putting to a lot of people. Unbelievable characters and character interactions are off-putting to a lot of people. But those things are things that self-proclaimed otaku audiences embrace, so that’s what the Miyazaki-proclaimed otaku in the industry draw. Because animation studios make so little money off of anything but DVD and merchandise sales, and otaku are the only people who buy that stuff, the anime industry of late has become inbred and stale at best, and offensive and pedophilic at worst."
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … ^AKA "why I like anime way less than I used to when I was 13"
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … (This kinda turned into a rant. oops.) I'm a big proponent of allowing people to have whatever thoughts / take whatever actions they like as long as they are not harming others. Want to seclude yourself from society and do socially unacceptable things? Great, go do that as long as you are not hurting anyone. If the PC patrol had their way the entire world would be a boring, sterilized mess. I know you have seen my post about Lolicon so I won't bother going over that again in detail. Lots of people don't seem to be able to separate fiction and reality and don't want to accept that it is OK to 'do' things in the realm of fiction that are unacceptable in the real world. If people just want to get on with their lives and be left alone why is everyone so loath to just let them do that? I am aware "Otaku" is not a 'good' label to be given but I can relate. I don't give a rats ass about general society and don't relate to my culture or most of the other members of my generation, they just have an entirely separate set of values and interests that I could not care less about. I don't meet all the stereotypes, I'm a home-owner, I'm not physically fit but I am most certainly not fat and I have a decent management job with responsibility over others / I am basically in charge of software support for over 100 multinational businesses. My job involves me talking to people all day and I maintain great social relationships with them. I do however have anime art (some risqué) all over my walls, buy those $100+ figurines, watch unrealistic fanservicy shows, own a (non explicit) dakimakura, play eroge, plan on flying out to Akiba with my online friends next year and one of the only times I leave my house outside of going to work is to study Japanese at university. All I want is to be left alone and do the harmless things that make me happy but all society wants to do is butt their noses in, tell me that I am living life "incorrectly" and impose their own ideals about how life should work onto my life. If a group of people are able to club the financial capital together to support a niche industry within a niche industry that caters to their tastes, great. If it is true that the anime industry is full of Otaku, I don't see how anyone can be surprised that people who feel like they have no place in the world gravitate to working in an industry that makes them feel like they have a place. One where they finally have something that they can contribute to. I don't care what everyone else thinks, it's entirely possible that I'm just projecting but I can only imagine that these people don't care either. Hey general society guess what? The reason I am secluding myself from you is that I don't want to be a part of you. I'm not expecting you to change to fit me and I'm fully content to just let you go on without me. Please do not assume that I am some kind of danger or that I have no morals just because I don't feel like taking part in you, please do not try and force me to integrate into your culture as we have nothing in common. It would be fantastic if people could take a page from this book and realise that they don't have to be part of every single community and that every corner of the earth does not have to follow that individuals moral code / act in accordance with their sensibilities. (As a little closing statement I'd like to clarify that I don't consider myself to be a "secluded genius". Secluded yes, genius no.)
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Saved!Firion HopeEditing … So basically whining because the shit they like isn't sustainable and they're mad stuff they dislike does so well. Very much reminds me of people who think gamers are the problem with the gaming industry. Also an animated show being unrealistic, no shit. The strength of the medium is doing things that aren't possible with movies. Miyazaki really just comes off like a jealous judgmental prick. -
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … I believe it literally means Fanatic. As far as I am aware people say X-Otaku where x is something you are obsessed with but if you just say "Otaku" it is implied you are this kind of anime etc Otaku.
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Saved!AramondeEditing … Oh okay thank DA
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Saved!Firion HopeEditing … Despite claims otherwise it really isn't any different from someone who's ultra nerdy about something like star trek/wars here and knows trivia and has collectibles and the such. The only real difference is how they're perceived.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "I'm a big proponent of allowing people to have whatever thoughts / take whatever actions they like as long as they are not harming others." Miyazaki is not talking about personal choices (even though people who jack off to lolicon, frankly, are very very VERY suspicious to me to put it lightly) though, I think you got distracted by the commentary I posted. He's literally just saying that ~otaku~ for the most part do not make compelling media and these people are the majority of who are responsible for making modern anime. The aside about pedophilia was another user's commentary and was just an example they were using to demonstrate how most modern anime does not appeal to anyone outside of a very narrow demographic, narrower than anime's appeal used to be 10 years ago. Instead you went on a tangent defending thinly veiled pedophilia, so I stopped reading like 4 sentences in tbh
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … Well I doubt that you even got 4 sentences in because the fourth sentence actually specifically says I was not going to cover lolicon as I've done it in the past and I know you have already seen it. It's mentioned in one sentence in the whole text and that sentence is saying that I won't be talking about it in detail. It's then not mentioned again in the entire post. I've addressed the points you brang up in my original post so no point in listing them again. "I didn't read your post" is not particularly compelling / not much point in posting things if you're not going to read the responses.
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … "who the fuck are you to tell me not to post because I wouldn't dignify your irrelevant fucking rambling with a time-consuming response" did not say this. I was pointing out how starting a discussion and then saying "Didn't real lawl" is just pointless. I don't know how you jumped that to "DA thinks he is entitled to tell me what to do". If you notice, people butting their noses in and telling people what to do is actually what I was ranting against. As a side note, I'd like to see how you would react if I called anything you said 'irrelevant fucking rambling' because I can't imagine you would appreciate it if your conversation partner personally attacked you after no direct provocation. "how counter-culture and edgy you think you are" did not say this. 'I like anime/stereotypical otaku things and want to be left alone' wow so edgy, Clearly we can see that I am an edgy attention whore as I am always posting attention grabbing statuses and arguing with everyone. I've made like three posts about politics and that's about as edgy as I get. You are the one who gets all edgy whenever people have a different view to yours, my memory may just be biased but as far as I can remember it seems to be you who resorts to personally insulting the people you are talking with first. (Before you misconstrue what I have said, the previous attention whore comment is not a description of you.) "anime is a sanctuary or some shit" did not say this. "... how human beings actually act" why should fiction always reflect reality? We have reality for that, fiction should be free to be as realistic or as non realistic as the creator likes. "...ridiculous slippery-slope..." Why else would people care / want to police what people do with their lives? If you don't want to be a part of a subculture that you would otherwise have no interaction with why do you care what they are doing. I love anime but I don't try and be the anime thought police for genres I don't even watch. "I don't have to be a part of the fucking "lolicon community"" I don't think the 'lolicon community' is a thing that even exists and I certainly did not say that you should be in it? Also, again with the lolicon? I didn't even really mention it. You seem quite determined to turn this into an attack on you when I was responding to the commentary you linked and said to look at. It was brandishing all this negativity towards Otaku for what I considered to be rubbish reasons. What am I supposed to do if not disagree? Would you like it if I posted something you considered to be bullshit and then I said 'Well Steph, clearly you are just an edgy radical so I only read the first few lines before I drew my conclusion." This is just my own personal feelings now but when people post things, I read them. If someone put the time and effort into posting something I atleast give them enough respect to read it. "Content I could relate to on some level." I suggested a show I thought was right up your street from the last anime season just a short while ago. (It was #Ao Haru Ride in case anyone cares.) Just because there is media catering to group A does not mean group B is suddenly not catered for. I've been looking at every single show that came out for the past few seasons now and it is fact that there is a large and varied swath of shows dealing with lots of different topics aimed at loads of different audiences. If everything was targeted at one group it would be dull regardless of who that group was. Lastly I just disagree with the generalisation of large groups in general, I don't know enough to flat out tell you that you are wrong about Otaku but there are enough parallels for me to notice how similar it appears to be to things I and people I know have personally experienced.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … Sorry that you didn't see as much until now, but I deleted my last comment because I honestly needed to take a breath and collect my thoughts. It tends to send me into a rage when someone exhibits the entitlement required to tell me not to post (or give me their unsolicited opinion on whether there's a "point" in me posting) on my own fucking page because they didn't get the response they wanted. But for the record, the first four non-parenthetical sentences (which I stated were about the only ones I read) literally were defending lolicon. Upon reading the rest of your original comment, you don't say "buuuut I won't get into that right now" until the fifth. You then spend the next two sentences, from what I could tell, defending lolicon. I came to the conclusion you were referring to lolicon because it's exactly the same shit you have said to try to justify lolicon in the past. So if you could knock it off with the gaslighting, I'd appreciate it. And don't make the mistake of thinking that I post on my page to entertain you or anyone else. If one of my friends enjoys one of my posts, great, but it's not my primary goal. If I felt interested in exerting the mental energy required to entertain every possible response to my posts, I'd probably still be posting on the forums, tbh. But as it stands, there are some instances in which I will shut down and want to stop reading what you're saying, and that is a big reason why I *do* only post on my own page now and not on the forums. And one of those possible instances happens to be when I feel that someone is defending pedophilia. I'm going to start over here. I'm working on my response to your original comment now.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … Get ready because it's another multi-comment doozy. I'll indicate when I'm done: I read the rest of your comment and honestly, it's just irrelevant rambling so I guess I wasn't entirely wrong to have not read it all from the start. Like I said in my first reply to you, you're going on and on about how people shouldn't judge you or anyone else for their individual choices as long as they don't hurt others (and to say that lolicon doesn't hurt anyone is pretty fucking contentious, but I'm not going to talk about it with you because it will accomplish nothing) even though /that is not what Miyazaki, nor I, nor the person I quoted, are talking about/. So once again you're making me say this as I approach your comment in pieces at a time.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "I don't give a rats ass about general society.... [blah blah blah] All I want is to be left alone and do the harmless things that make me happy but all society wants to do is butt their noses in, tell me that I am living life 'incorrectly' and impose their own ideals about how life should work onto my life." Dude... WTF. This was never about you or your life choices or how many figures or wall scrolls you own or what you do for a career or your body type or whether or not you personally fit the "otaku" stereotype. You're getting hung up on the details (in this case, the commenter re-contextualizing the word "otaku" and explaining it's not a term of endearment like "nerd" is in our language, in order to better explain what Miyazaki is getting at) and missing the big picture. Like, that part I quoted just comes off as mind-bogglingly defensive and beside the point. We're not trying to tell you how to live your life. *We are not trying to tell you how to live your life.* Enlighten me how this self-indulgent tangent is AT ALL RELEVANT to what we're arguing. Because it's a head scratcher.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "If a group of people are able to club the financial capital together to support a niche industry within a niche industry that caters to their tastes, great. If it is true that the anime industry is full of Otaku, I don't see how anyone can be surprised that people who feel like they have no place in the world gravitate to working in an industry that makes them feel like they have a place. One where they finally have something that they can contribute to." WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST OR THE COMMENTARY I POSTED? No one said "those smelly otaku need to pack up their shit and live alone in tree trunks and never contribute anything to society ever again. Oh and they also deserve absolutely no media content aimed at them." My god. No one even said this "otaku" brand of anime Miyazaki is alluding to *has to go anywhere*. Just that it's dominated /too much/ of the industry, which used to do a far better job at portraying relatable and compelling human interactions instead of pandering overwhelmingly to this one niche group with vapid, uninspired crap, with a stray good series every now and then. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there was plenty of crap around 15-10 years ago, but there was still a ton of great stuff, too.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "Hey general society guess what? The reason I am secluding myself from you is that I don't want to be a part of you. I'm not expecting you to change to fit me and I'm fully content to just let you go on without me. Please do not assume that I am some kind of danger or that I have no morals just because I don't feel like taking part in you, please do not try and force me to integrate into your culture as we have nothing in common." Ooooohhhhh my god this is so fucking self-indulgent and melodramatic. Just stop, please. So much of this just reeks of a victim complex, but you are not a victim because a critically acclaimed director wants the industry to improve from the sad state it's in. Once again... no one is trying to take away your toys. This entire comment should be pictured next to the dictionary definition of "missing the point."
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … "It would be fantastic if people could take a page from this book and realise that they don't have to be part of every single community and that every corner of the earth does not have to follow that individuals moral code / act in accordance with their sensibilities." I'll restate what I said in my comment before I deleted it: I am fully aware that I don't have to be a part of the fucking lolicon community and I am glad for that. But I'd like to go back to being a part of the "anime community" because I miss enjoying content that I find relatable and compelling. Jesus... and for the record, I'm going to predict that I'm not going to feel like keeping this up with you for much longer, at least not here. This is already a mahoosively long response and this is not a great format for it, and the responses will only get longer if we keep going back and forth. You can PM me if you want, but seeing how adamant you have been in the past about not respecting requests to talk about things privately (because "censorship" or whatever), I don't necessarily expect you to take me up on that offer. End response.
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … I don't want to post lots of comments so I'm going to use spoiler tags instead, hopefully it gets the desired effect. Comment 0) - SpoilerThere is no such thing as an unsolicited opinion when you open discussion in a public forum. (Miyazaki's page) I don't see how others are hurt by Lolicon but I agree that a discussion on that will get nowhere so I will only make short statements where they are absolutely necessary to the point. (As it turns out this is quite often because we keep bringing it up.) I'm not intentionally 'gaslighting' it would be stupid to try and lie because the post is right there and anyone can go and read it. I was not counting the question mark as a sentence ender so I see now how you could read 4 sentences and miss the point, legit my bad. Comment 1) - SpoilerThat person brought up lolicon as an example of why Otaku should be vilified. I don't agree and feel that nothing fictional should be censored / held against people regardless of it's content because it is not real. I don't want to endorse thought policing. This is not something unique to Lolicon and can be applied to any form of distasteful media. An extreme example is how the media will try and form harmful associations with fictional media when they report on criminals by saying things like "The FPS Fanatic turned School Shooter John Smith...." and such. Comment 2) - SpoilerComparisons are made to give context. This is not the first time I've had this discussion so I thought I would just get a large chunk of how it usually goes out of the way. "You are just some fat basement dweller defending yourself / you are just some weeb / <insert personal attack here>." Knowing these things gives readers some background into why I am saying what I am saying. I like Otaku stuff and take part in that 'culture' which is why I am commenting on it but I'm not just some walking stereotype. It's the same reason my replies are full of things in brackets, I'm just trying to avoid some future misunderstanding that could come about by people misunderstanding what I've said. I did state at the beginning I know that being branded an Otaku is not seen as a good thing. Comment 3) - SpoilerIt is heavily implied that the fact Otaku work in the anime industry is seen as a bad thing and that it would be better if they did not and left it to the 'people who know how to portray real human interactions'. (Which is a silly statement in the first place.) The statement was an attempt to explain why this kind of person has flourished in the industry and that I don't think it's a bad thing. Comment 4) - SpoilerHey you are the one basically implying people who like Lolicon are one small step away from being child molesters. Including casually accusing me of defending it in your first comment, this is where the 'please do not assume I am some kind of danger or that I have no morals' comes into play. As evidenced, people do assume that if you play violent games / like lolicon / do something questionable in a fictional setting that it reflects on your actual life which, again, is something I disagree with. I can only speak from personal experience and second hand stories from people I know but people constantly try and get you to stop this kind of lifestyle and replace it with one similar to their own 'normal' one. This is not something that I've made up, people are very quick to evaluate your entire life, dismiss it as 'wrong' and then try and get you to 'see the light' and start acting like them. 'This' is something that I've experienced quite a bit so yes, I can get a little defensive. I would draw comparison to how easily you think nearly every time I present an opinion I am somehow trying to force you to act in a certain way beyond just debate / presenting an alternative. Comment 4b) - SpoilerWhile I don't subscribe to your particular train of thought on this one, If I did I might say that this is an issue that you are "unqualified" to talk about because based on the small section of your life I have been exposed to, you belong to a mainstream group of people with a large support network that society in general tolerates. (This is not a gender politics statement, and again I don't actually think you are unqualified to speak about it, I'm just drawing a comparison.) "...wants the industry to improve from the sad state it's in. Once again... no one is trying to take away your toys." The thing is that, as a consumer, I don't think it's in a state and feel that the current situation is fine. To use a very stretched analogy: It's like seeing some children happily playing with toys, taking away the toys and then giving them completely different toys that you like because 'you know better' instead of just letting them continue playing. Comment 5) - SpoilerAlready really addressed this in my previous post in reply to your first post that you deleted. Will address last part about PM's at the end. General Stuff / side notes) - SpoilerThis part in particular from the blog post "they are the antithesis of a praiseworthy member of society...", "Fanservice...Incest...Lolis...Unbelievable characters and character interactions are off-putting to a lot of people." is where the part about society/sensibilities came from. Who cares if the majority don't like some trivial thing. "who seal themselves off in insular groups and jack off to 2D waifus all day in between drawing said 2D waifus" oh god what hyperbole, also again even if this was fact, who. cares. It's just full of the implication that people are unable to separate fiction and reality. "Real-life people do not act like..." Not because of 'censorship', because I'm not perfect. If you are talking in public either side can be pulled up if they say something bullshit / they know that they are under scrutiny from outsiders. I do not have as good of a grasp on written language as you, I've never been particularly good at it and I don't trust myself to catch every little incorrect thing someone says. Knowing that multiple others may read what I post helps me catch myself before I say stupid things.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … O, I forgot spoiler tags. 0) SpoilerNo, you see, I never asked for your opinion on whether or not I deserve to post on my own fucking page. I didn't ask for it, so it is literally an unsolicited opinion. That's what "unsolicited" means. My existing in a public (online) space doesn't suddenly change the meaning of the word "unsolicited." 1) SpoilerYou are willfully ignorant of the well documented concept that media doesn't exist in a vacuum. It just can't. It is influenced by people (both those who create it and those who it's intended for), and it in turn influences people. The fact that you equate acknowledging this with "thought policing" is just an outlandish display of paranoia. Something being fictional does not change the fact that it can be harmful. I glanced at your response to my now deleted comment (only glanced tho, didn't want to read the whole thing at the risk of getting upset) and saw you called me "radical," and I don't necessarily take umbrage with being called "radical" in general because I could certainly tell you a lot of radical things I think, but this particular point is not radical whatsoever. Any academic in media and/or sociology worth their salt will tell you the same thing. 2) SpoilerI mean, I know you fucking love anime, man. You don't need to tell me that for me to contextualize your position in this conversation. And I seriously hope you weren't expecting me to say "hurr durr, fat basement dweller who lives with his mom" to dismiss you. Come on now. I'm not 14. "Fat" is not an insult anyway, nor is needing to rely on parents for financial support. I don't want it to seem like I'm not interested in who you are as a person, but it just wasn't relevant to this discussion and seemed oddly derailing. 3) SpoilerOnce again (is this the third time now...? fourth...?) literally no one said anything about ALL of the "otaku" needing to leave the industry outright. Just that they DOMINATE THE INDUSTRY and what is being made TOO MUCH. I'm getting really tired of having to explain this very simple distinction *over and over* :\ 4) SpoilerSo... you have defended sexualizing [FICTIONAL***asterisk] children, in past comments you seem to have implied you sexualize [FICTIONAL***asterisk] children yourself, and I'm the jerk just for pointing out that that's problematic as shit? And yeah, I'm not disputing that someone, sometime in your life may have tried to "convert" you (and frankly if they're trying to get you to stop liking lolicon I don't blame them in the slightest, trying to make you reconsider something you're doing is not an inherently bad thing). Who am I to argue your personal experiences never happened? That's the kind of nonsense that bigots pull on women, POC, MOGAI people, etc. and I know better. But specifically right now, with regards to the conversation about "are otaku dominating the anime industry and turning it into a cess pool?" no one is trying to take away your toys. They just want the industry to suck less. 4b) Spoiler"The thing is that, as a consumer, I don't think it's in a state and feel that the current situation is fine." So what? As a consumer, I DO think it's in a bad state and feel that the current situation is NOT fine. Why is your opinion more valuable than mine or the commenter I quoted? In fact, why is your opinion more valuable than that of at least TWO of the most respected men in the industry? (Miyazaki, and also Anno has said very similar things.) Nothing really to say to 5. RE: your General Stuff Spoiler"Who cares if the majority don't like some trivial thing." You do realize that the reason Miyazaki and Anno's works are so well loved is because they make worlds and stories that resonate with people? That they can relate to? That goes beyond gimmicky fan service and one-dimensional characters? I mean EVA does have a little fan service, but at least it's occasional and sometimes it's even a plot device (e.g. the beginning of The End of Evangelion). Bad, unbelievable characters aren't "trivial." Good characters are pretty central to good media as far as I'm concerned. Well, not necessarily games, they can make up for it with good gameplay, but as far as media that we only watch. This is what the commenter means when they say "real people don't act like that." It's not that we can't "discern between fiction and reality" (basically you're accusing us of being unable to suspend disbelief, I think) or some other nonsense. It's that the way we relate to, and thus enjoy media is that we see ourselves in these characters. Or our significant others, our families, our friends. Our co-workers. That annoying cashier at the convenience store down the street. That bigoted classmate that we hate with every fiber of our being. Or not even specific characters, but the ideas their behavior and actions represent. Without being relate to media on some level, there's so little point in watching it. I mean, unless you're into hate-watching, but I haven't done that in quite a while. And the vast majority of people--yes, including many people who loved anime 10 or 15 years ago--don't relate to a lot of what's out there, and wish there was a lot more stuff they COULD relate to. That's literally the whole point of this. That's it.
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … Ah good I think we have reached the end. I don't have much to add / there would be no point in saying, "Well that's just like, your opinion man" to some of your conclusions so I'll keep it in a block of text. This is why skimming is bad. I did infact not call you a radical, that quote was used in the context of why dismissing is bad. I was saying if you posted something and I didn't read it and just called you an edgy radical you would not like it. You have already addressed this point so it's nbd. My tone in that response is slightly more direct than usual which I'm sure you can understand based on the content of your deleted post. 2) I was not expecting you to pull that card, but as I said this discussion is in the public eye so I needed to clarify. Society considers 'Fat' to be an insult / an undesirable quality. It's part of the stereotype and my goal was to list parts of the stereotype that I met / did not meet. 3) I was just clarifying my earlier point, I already said that I disagree with this opinion. 4) I'm not just talking about lolicon, I mean the entire secluded lifestyle that I lead. 4b) It's not. What I'm getting at is that you can't expect people who are happy with the status quo to not try and uphold the current situation. My opinion is not more valid but I know what I like and you can't really pull rank on what people like as what someone enjoys watching is entirely up to them. General Stuff - 'Bad Characters' is an almost entirely subjective thing / it's a matter of taste. Miyazaki's page is not your page, I would not even have to be friends with you to comment there. It's like standing in the middle of a town square, shouting something with a megaphone and then being surprised when people respond to you. Also kinda off topic but there should probably be some kind of system to eventually 'collapse' comments on old posts made to public pages facebook style. I can't imagine that everyone wants this really long post clogging up the page forever, it's like quadrupled the length of the page.
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Saved!Filly VanilliEditing … I wouldn't even say I skimmed it really, when I glanced at it a few words jumped out at me and then I quickly scrolled down. Like I said, I was trying to avoid an anxiety attack, so... that's why I didn't read it. Yes, I know society says "fat" is an insult, I was just clarifying that *I* would not use it as an insult. I'm fat, or maybe just chubby, but I embrace the term. :P As for the "whose page is it anyway" bit. I. Did. Not. Ask. Your. Opinion. On. Whether. I. Should. Post. Point blank. You can argue I asked your opinion on what Miyazaki said by posting the picture (though this isn't specifically aimed at you so I'm in no way morally obligated to read or respond to what you say about it. Just because I don't specify who it's aimed at doesn't mean everyone who comments is automatically entitled to a response from me). But I never asked you "hey Louis, do you think I should be posting?" so therefore, you gave me an unsolicited opinion. And if you want me to ignore everything you say on my posts in the future, arguing your sense of entitlement to dictate whether I should be posting because you didn't like the answer I gave you is a great way to accomplish that. I think we're done here :l
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Saved!DoubleagentEditing … Wow, well if people consider you to be fat either you have truly mastered the art of facebook angles or they need to get their eyes checked out. I don't know if 'fat' is just flung around really liberally where you are but you would struggle to have that 'insult' stick here. Your opinion of what makes up entitlement / your interpretation of this interaction is so foreign when compared to everyone I've ever spoken to. I can't understand it / it makes no sense to me. There is literally no other reason to post something publicly than to share that thing and start a discussion. (Is that entitlement because I've expressed my opinion again?) My issue was with "I've not read what you put but here is my conclusion on what I assumed you said anyway." Ignoring a post is perfectly fine, (Is that bad because I've said that I approve of you doing something even though you didn't ask? Even though there is no other way to phrase it without it sounding like I'm the one 'giving you permission' to act in a certain way? Don't construe it that way because that is not what is happening / what I am trying to do. To get even more meta, is that bad because I've assumed I know what you are trying to do? If you look hard enough you are always going to be able to twist a narrative this way. I'm just trying to have a normal conversation, not dictate your life. I'm just some text on a screen, the impact I can have on your life is so minimal it's almost immeasurable. You could basically push a button and I would be gone forever if that is what you wanted.) hell sometimes if someone is attempting to debate and they are ignored it can get the point across just as well as if the debate actually happened. As you may've realised by now I dont like it when people tell people not to do things so I'm not telling you not to post, I just simply don't understand what you were trying to do if you weren't looking to actually discuss what you posted. (You don't have to attempt to clarify what you were trying to do again if you don't want to. You have attempted to explain three times and I still don't get it and it's quite clear that you consider it to be quite obvious.)
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