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    Hey guys, I wanted some opinions in picking a really important plot point in one of my stories... Hopefully this will be the first one I'll actually fully write.
    The story is "The Master Sisters" (or potentially just "The Masters") and you might have seen me ramble about it around a couple times, including seeing a user called "Carnival Master" which is based in one of the main characters.
    The story itself is divided in three primary storylines, one for each sister, and I have mostly outlined the ideas for the first two. Carnival, however, I have two options.
    First of all, just a characterization of Carny that I wrote in a previous Favsland post: "She's insane, no doubt about it. she has no sense of right or wrong, of what's fair and unfair, of what should and should not be done. She's the kind of person that will just do something on a whim, she doesn't care, she can't care."
    Okay, so the key point in Carny's storyline is compassion. She's someone who doesn't have it and it confuses her.
    One of the major points in this story is her best friend finding that they're gay/lesbian. Said person is religious and they will battle against their pre-established morals and who they are. They'll look for Carnival's help in trying to understand that side of their persona. Carnival herself is bisexual, but she's not the kind of person to get others. She's not more acceptable of things different of her because of that. She just ignores it because everybody is different than her in some point, in most points, but she still things it's stupid for things to be other way. In the case of love, to care about the other persons gender. This will cause some dispute between the friends.
    Now, the thing I wanted your opinion in is the gender of said character. I've thinking about it and here's the main differences in the story with each gender:
    Female: This was my original idea, most of the cast is already female with the exception of three characters so she fits in. In this scenario in her teenage years she'll fall in love with one of Aurora's best friend, Katherine, which is not lesbian. In the ending of this version, Carnival falls in love with her and she ends up also falling in love with Carny, the final arcs of the story is this character trying her best to help Carnival of all her demons and in the end they end up together.
    Male: I started thinking about this one recently, like I said, most of the characters are female, so I thought maybe another male character would be better, plus, there aren't that many homosexual male characters in general, and none in my stories (while there kinda is already another lesbian one). In this version the character would fall in love with the same guy Aurora likes in thei rteenage years, which is also not gay and already likes someone else. Like in the previous version Carnival ends up falling in love with him in their adult lives but in this scenario their final arcs are more toward trying to still be friends while Carny realizes that no matter what he won't like her. In the end he finds someone and Carny overcomes her love and stays happy for him.

    What version would you find more appealing and why?
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    • Husky Wing
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      Editing … Is Carnival a psychopath or sociopath?
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      Editing … After googling the difference... she's a clear sociopath
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      Editing … Sociopaths can't really fall in love though. This confused me about Carnival, at first I thought her to be detached, unable to empathize. I like these kinds of characters. Sociopaths can pretend to fall in love (psychopaths and sociopaths spend a lot of time pretending, though it would work better for a psychopath). One thing desired by these two is power, control, and they can get that out of a relationship. Contrary to popular media, the huge majority of these groups is non-violent, so these methods of control can come from their sex life, having a prestigious career filled with recognition, or just making a ton of money. Business is good. Surgery is one career with the most amount of psychopaths (like one of the top five), since the inability to empathize makes the patient a mere puzzle to be solved, rather than a precious life to be saved. Plus, it's a job that comes with recognition.
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      Editing … I think I'm suggesting that perhaps we explore what a terrible person Carnival really is to the people in her life, without them knowing. I'm not certain of how manipulative sociopaths can be in contrast to a psychopath, though. Psychopaths are much better at fitting in, pretending, and even being charming. They still have that impulsiveness, however, and an inability to foresee consequences.
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      Editing … I'm going to explore 20 years of her life, more or less. I want to explore that part of her, I really do, and most of her story will be about that and how the family deals with that. But I kinda want a more or less happy ending. It's not like I'll ever call her "sociopath" in the story, because she will never be diagnosed with anything because her family is too careless to send her to a doctor and she's never going to diagnose herself. This leaves Carnival with a bunch of potential to be whatever the fuck I want her to be.
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      Editing … When it comes to writing characters, I think it's important to really understand where your characters are coming from, and have them set goals that feel organic. Why is Carnival the way she is, and what are the things that motivate her? For a character that's insane, doesn't care, and lacks any sense of compassion, it feels like you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole by throwing "love" into the equation. Is she pretending to not care? Is she good at faking emotions? Perhaps, she's only sexually driven? A person like Carnival doesn't appear very likable, so who do you surround her with? Does she care if she even has friends? If she has friends, what do they think of her? What's their motivating factor to continue to be friends with her? How has she gone on for so long without a heavy dose of conflict from family or (ex) friends ? What does she think about her family? Does she respect them? Carnival sounds narcissistic, and would use people for personal gain, so what's she after? What motivates her? What's her ultimate goal? Does she have one? They're all very important questions you should be asking about all of your characters. Of course, her history doesn't have to be told in the story, but you should know the answers to those questions.
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      Editing … If you haven't seen it already, I'd recommend a movie called "Happiness". It's a pitch black comedy that revolves around three very different sisters, and the lives that they have chosen.
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      Editing … I've been building these characters for 6 years now. I really didn't want to write a huge ass post about them. Carnival, or Dawn, is essentially the comedy relief AT TIMES. She's the Harley Quinn, the #Haruko Haruhara (one of her biggest influences), but I didn't want her to be just that. The Master family is all unstable, specially the actual main character, Aurora, and Carnival is the culmination of that. Someone who had problems to begin with but never got treated and therefore they grow. She's someone that doesn't understand, nor does she bother to understand the world and the people in it, but I guess she does care, to some degree, about some people. Specially her cousins and her aunt. She's not someone that doesn't feel, she feels sadness and anger and love, but she reacts to it like a child would. And at the beginning of the story this is okay, because she's five. But at some point it starts being weird, and strange and uncomfortable. The bullying all three sisters suffer as a lot to do on how they grow as well. Moonlight's violent tendencies, Aurora's anger and pleasure to see other people fail and suffer, and yes, Carny's detachment with people also increases here. There's a lot of things, a lot of variables here.
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      Editing … Though I guess I just really don't know how or when to end the stories, for any of the sisters, tbh, I just kept adding stuff till I reached a point where I realized I had about 20 years of their live's worth of stories (not even mentioning her parents and aunts and all that backstory I'll probably not use) and I had to build that up to an ending.
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      Editing … Well, what kind of story are you trying to tell? What's the theme? What are the primary factors that you'd want a potential reader to get out of the story? TBH, I don't even know what the tone or setting of what it is you're trying to accomplish - Sorry, if it seems like I just butted into this. If you want a happy-ish ending (for the primary characters) then I suppose you have to give your characters goals, and either have them finally achieve them, or have them come close enough to them that it encourages them continue their pursuits - A moment of enlightenment, realization of personal growth, or progress - in the face of failure. What do these characters fear? Do they care enough to attempt to overcome their fears? What do they REALLY want? Your ending is somewhere in there.
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